How to end NR Wyoming wilderness ban?

[HingleMcCringleberry]

The reason Wyoming is so attractive is because most residents don't bow hunt (only like 7%) and those that do aren't very good at it. NR's can come in and clean house. I guess if I was a Wyoming resident I'd want to keep others away, too.

Ya that's the beauty of the wilderness rule.

Yes I will say it. In the world we live in with aholes making utube videos on what to apply for (you know who they are...wildlife pimps), its a bright spot.

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

I always wonder about that number considering x bows are legal during archery season....

Crossbows should be for cripples and the infirm. That is something we as residents have to work on.

 

[wapitibob]

Crossbows should be for cripples and the infirm. That is something we as residents have to work on.

They've been a non issue in WY for 40 years.

 

[czgunner]

Crossbows should be for cripples and the infirm. That is something we as residents have to work on.

What impact have they made? Source of data?

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[wyogoat]

What impact have they made? Source of data?

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No data needed. That’s principle. Learn a skill and hone it.
But you’re right. Probably not a lot of impact.

 

[Dos Perros]

I always wonder about that number considering x bows are legal during archery season....

It is an older number, maybe 5 or 6 years old, and I'm sure it has grown since then.

Regardless, it has been my experience across 3 archery hunts there the R's don't really get after it with a bow. Montanans put them to shame as far as effort, Coloradans as far as skill.

 

[tdhanses]

I just spent two weeks at my place in Wyo, and Im catching up on Rokslide threads and it took me a pot of coffee to read thru this thread... entertaining for sure.

Here's what I do know:

In Colorado, there are Moose Units are Resident Only.

NonRes can hunt deer, antelope, elk, small game, fish, hike and anything else in these units, just not hunt moose.

In these moose units there are BLM lands, State Lands, Federal Lands and even..... Wilderness Areas.

I have never heard of one complaint about this.
Not one. Ever.

So nonresidents can get a Moose tag but not hunt the area while residents with the same tag can?

Guess I don’t see how residents being the only tag holders as the same as having a valid tag but having to have a babysitter, probably why no one complains.

 

[tdhanses]

Again...
Isnt this thread about not allowing NonRes in to certain areas?

Yes, certain areas they have a valid tag for, they just have to find or pay a babysitter to hunt 100% of the area the valid tag covers, area the federal government owns.

 

[tdhanses]

I don't like the rule, but it doesn't bother me much. I would prefer Wyoming to be honest about it and admit that it is not a public safety issue. It is outfitter welfare and NR hunter crowding control. A reciprocity rule would be a good symbolic form of protest/retaliation. But I suspect that it would impact very few Wyomingites.

It would be no different than another state designating certain units as Resident Only, whether it contains wilderness or not. Now there's an idea.

One could argue it creates crowding more in non wilderness areas.

 

[cnelk]

So nonresidents can get a Moose tag but not hunt the area while residents with the same tag can?

Guess I don’t see how residents being the only tag holders as the same as having a valid tag but having to have a babysitter, probably why no one complains.

NonRes can’t even apply for a couple of the moose areas.

 

[tdhanses]

NonRes can’t even apply for a couple of the moose areas.

Yeah and that makes perfect sense, really WY should just redraw the lines and make the wilderness draw units for resident only, then this wouldn’t be an issue, other then for outfitters.

In CO same goes for sheep, but if you draw a sheep tag you get to hunt the entire unit open to the public.

 

[wapitibob]

tell me you don’t spend any time archery hunting Wyoming without telling me you don’t spend any time archery hunting Wyoming.

I hunt there almost every year. After talking to a crossbow hunter I realized he's nothing more than another guy with an archery tag. The ones upset that some other guy is trudging thru the WY woods with a crossbow is nothing but a bias.

Still waiting to see these issues posted up, they've been legal for over 40 years.

 

[wytx]

Crossbows should be for cripples and the infirm. That is something we as residents have to work on.

No issues with x bows, they have been around longer than compound bows.
I think I have seen one in the field.
Residents should have no issues with them.
I would push to keep them included, I shoot a longbow by the way.

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

No issues with x bows, they have been around longer than compound bows.
I think I have seen one in the field.
Residents should have no issues with them.
I would push to keep them included, I shoot a longbow by the way.

That's cool. Definitely room for more than one opinion.

 

[wytx]

Never said I speak for all residents just the ones I know that don't care about x bows.
Heck compounds are the same, just make archery season trad bows only, solves that problem.

 

[mntnguide]

Spend some time in western WY especially for deer between sept 1 and the 14th. The new crossbows have guys taking 150* yard shots. You want to hunt with a crossrifle do it during the rifle season. The biggest buck killed in WW this year had 3 dudes from UT chasing him with $2500 crossbows with 12 power scopes on them. The technology has changed enough with cross rifles to warrant change. It’s why many states have modified muzzleloader requirements etc. Who gives a flying f*** it’s been that way for 40 years? WY is slow to change anything. Doesn’t mean it should stay that way.

How do you speak for all the residents? Residents shouldn’t have an issue with them? How do you figure?

Exactly...And the guy that got him, listed his xbow immediately after season for sale. Same with Commisioner tags in many big bull areas, lots of outfitters are using a crossbow to go after the bigger bulls in september so they can shoot 100+ yards. Does it really effect my hunting, no, but do i think it should be changed, yes. No reason for able bodied people to be using a Xbow during archery season. . . And dont forget the Thermal stuff the Utards are also using to find said bucks every year...thats a whole other issue going on behind the scenes thats very hard for wardens to chase down, cause its being done at night from high points. These guys basically buy points to get a tag each year, and then will do whatever at all costs to kill the biggest buck. Fair chase is long gone

 

[LostWapiti]

I created a poll regarding the reciprocity. Curious to see responses if you’d like to participate.

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/wilderness-hunting-reciprocity-good-idea.383027/?show_modal=1

 

[CrescentB]

I've always wandered, how is this enforced in WY?

Game wardens and USFS rangers will float the wilderness areas to enforce the law. Like it or not, and for being big country for them to cover, they do a great job at enforcing it.

 

[CrescentB]

It's not.

Not true. it's enforced quite heavily. People might get away with it until they don't.

 

[CrescentB]

From a legal perspective, the way I see it, the state does not have authority to regulate federal lands. If the state issues a nonresident a tag, the state cannot dictate he/she hunt any federal land area with a guide. But, as I'm sure we are all aware, many states do what they want, despite their legal limitations. If they enforce this, sooner or later someone will fight it, and very likely win.

What changes this dynamic is that state does own (manage) the wildlife, so it is the States right to legislate and enforce those laws within its borders.