How many is too many

[realunlucky]

No one cares about Texas

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[3forks]

So out of curiosity, I did the math...

In Texas, we have 0.248 acres of public land for each resident.

In Idaho, there are 21.823 acres of public land for each resident, or over 80 times more public land per person.

Since the OP asked how many is too many, I wonder, how much is enough?

You're entitled to your views, and it's obvious that nothing any resident of our state of Colorado (or any other western state) will say to you is going to change your views. However, at this point, all you're doing is exemplifying what a lot of people in Colorado see as the typical stereotype about Texans. Just agree to disagree and move on.

 

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[njdoxie]

I will say that solitude is more important to me than killing an elk, wasn’t that way when I was younger though, I just wanted a bull in the worst way. Now I want solitude first, then an elk, and the opportunity to hunt elk every year in CO. And I get less solitude every year, but I have zero idea on how to remedy that, it’s super complex trying to balance all the interest.


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[Newtosavage]

No one cares about Texas

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Whether you care about it or not is irrelevant to the discussion. I was citing statistics that show how fortunate people who live and hunt in states with abundant public land, really are.

 

[Newtosavage]

You're entitled to your views, and it's obvious that nothing any resident of our state of Colorado (or any other western state) will say to you is going to change your views. However, at this point, all you're doing is exemplifying what a lot of people in Colorado see as the typical stereotype about Texans. Just agree to disagree and move on.

Those aren't my "views." Those are called facts. LOL
And exactly what disagreement are we having? I have no idea what you are talking about. I was just citing simple facts.

A lot of people in a lot of states have strong opinions about people from other states. That's nothing new. I see us all as Americans anyway. I'm pretty far removed from what you would probably consider a "typical" Texan. LOL But I sure have a lot of family that would suit your stereotype alright.

 

[Newtosavage]

I will say that solitude is more important to me than killing an elk, wasn’t that way when I was younger though, I just wanted a bull in the worst way. Now I want solitude first, then an elk, and the opportunity to hunt elk every year in CO. And I get less solitude every year, but I have zero idea on how to remedy that, it’s super complex trying to balance all the interest.


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This is largely how I feel too. Just want the solitude first, the hunting experience second, and maybe some meat to take home as my last priority.

I've had no problem finding solitude on hunts in the SW corner of CO. Gotta get away from the population centers. Only reason I've hunted closer to Denver/Boulder area the past two years was so my son could join me on the weekends, but even he said he was ready to make the drive back to SW CO. Too many folks for him too.

 

[String&stick]

So, it's okay if it's an Idaho resident who has 5 kids who all end up hunting, but not okay if someone chooses to move to Idaho to hunt? I don't understand the reasoning...

Idaho has 1.7 million residents and is 70% public land. Texas has 28.3 million residents and is 4.2% public land. I haven't done the math, but I'm gonna guess there are a few more public acres per person in most (if not all) states than there are in TX.

Oh I'm a non resident that totally invades Idaho! I'm just saying if there is a drastic increase in hunters it must be from residents because non residents have a quota.

And Nebraska (my home state) gets hammered with out of state deer and turkey hunters. . . Mainly because we will let youth hunt in our state for pennies to help promote more hunters.

I would venture that Idaho sees more concentration of people in certain areas due to easy access of stats like success rate. There are probably some lurkers on here not commenting that have seen a decrease in activity.

Last year I saw one other person while hunting. Lots at trail heads on the way in, lots of trucks at our trail head. Ran into 1 human in 6 days of hunting. And saw elk every day. . .

 

[String&stick]

I've had no problem finding solitude on hunts in the SW corner of CO. .

Great you just ruined SW Colorado! JK

 

[Newtosavage]

Great you just ruined SW Colorado! JK

LOL right!

 

[Newtosavage]

I always enjoy it when people refer to their state game agencies as "we" the same way they do their sports teams, as if they themselves were calling the plays. LOL

 

[nagibson1]

I'm hoping to hunt Idaho at some point. All of my Western hunts so far have been to the western slope of Colorado, because of some friends living there. When my dad drove home from serving during Vietnam from Washington, he said that Idaho was the most beautiful state he had ever seen.

 

[Mike7]

Idaho has 12,815 nonresident elk tags and 15,500 nonresident deer tags. In 2017 they sold out for the first time since 2008.

More public land is difficult to access with trails and roads being effectively closed through intentional road removals, intentional decrease in road/trail maintenance as a strategy to passively close roads, and unintentional closures due to tighter budgets without timber dollars that could go to fund trails and road engineering departments in the Forest Service.

Also, the population has continued to increase, leading to increased people in the woods for other endeavors.

So in "some" areas then, there are more people using smaller accessible portions of public land, leading to less solitude and more regulations...or basically a less enjoyable experience for many than could be had in the past.

It would seem to me that to best protect our environment and protect the quality of our outdoor experience, serious people would want to not only consider providing protections to some public lands which lend to that outdoor experience, but also be very concerned about our burgeoning population as the result of both legal and illegal immigration.

If 1 million people coming from other countries displace just 60,000 Californians to Oregon, who then displace 10,000 people (like me) from Oregon to Idaho, there are now 10,000 more potential public land users in Idaho from Oregon alone...and that should end with me!

There are very few Texas license plates here, but I do occasionally see and hear some funny things from Californians exclaiming that they were originally from the the Pacific NW or are from California but don't think like Californians, so don't judge them harshly. Lol.