Would you buy this scope?

[Harvey_NW]

This is from the original post. For most hunting scenarios within the original design parameters, 12x is more than enough for most targets.

Jay

Understood, and agreed. My opinion is specifically in regard to a marketing/ROI perspective. I believe there's a large percentage of consumers that are in the middle ground of the Rokslide momentum, where 6.5mm and 15x is within reach of being appealing, but 6mm and a 12x optic for elk is foundationally objective. If the developers have the sense of security that they don't need the contributions of the outliers, more power to them. Just trying to add perspective.

 

[Lando]

I have that issue with coues deer as well but they are Great Dane sized and blend in better than any other big game animal I’ve hunted. Usually need 10-12x instead of my usual 6-8x after 500 yards.

A bit niche there.

I agree 100%. Last two years I've taken 2 coues, one at 607 yards and another at 468 yards. Both 1 shot kills, but in both cases wished I had slightly more magnification than 9x on my SWFA 3-9, which has led to the acquisition of a Maven RS1.2 and a Trijicon Ten Mile for coues. Otherwise, I love my SWFA 3-9s. And as a mostly mule deer hunter prior to the last 3 years, coues deer are ridiculously harder to glass up than any other animal I've hunted.

 

[Dobermann]

Understood, and agreed. My opinion is specifically in regard to a marketing/ROI perspective. I believe there's a large percentage of consumers that are in the middle ground of the Rokslide momentum, where 6.5mm and 15x is within reach of being appealing, but 6mm and a 12x optic for elk is foundationally objective. If the developers have the sense of security that they don't need the contributions of the outliers, more power to them. Just trying to add perspective.

Would 14x work for this concern? (Not that marketing to the over 12x is probably a high concern for this project.)

And then, a 3-14 at 4.7 ratio would give a higher mag range for those who want it, but be under the 5x zoom ratio that Jeff Huber said is the max he thinks is reliable.

Just an idea ...

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I agree 100%. Last two years I've taken 2 coues, one at 607 yards and another at 468 yards. Both 1 shot kills, but in both cases wished I had slightly more magnification than 9x on my SWFA 3-9, which has led to the acquisition of a Maven RS1.2 and a Trijicon Ten Mile for coues. Otherwise, I love my SWFA 3-9s. And as a mostly mule deer hunter prior to the last 3 years, coues deer are ridiculously harder to glass up than any other animal I've hunted.

Yes sir.

I’ve killed multiple coues bucks past 500 yards with the SWFA fixed 6 but in certain conditions it would have helped to have 9-12x.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Would 14x work for this concern? (Not that marketing to the over 12x is probably a high concern for this project.)

And then, a 3-14 at 4.7 ratio would give a higher mag range for those who want it, but be under the 5x zoom ratio that Jeff Huber said is the max he thinks is reliable.

Just an idea ...

If it's still the same, Form had answered me in this thread that it will be 14x, so for me personally it will come down to the specs. Basically if it doesn't offer an advantage over the RS1.2 or a Tenmile, I couldn't justify buying one if they're at the same price point. If it comes out around 22oz and $1k, absolutely.

 

[The Fish Box]

I think guys need to take a step back and just wait for this scope to come out. Half of you guys are asking for scopes that basically already exist or want features that combine to make a scope that is already available.
They aren’t creating a new company so needing to please the masses isn’t what this scope is about, making a scope that will better serve the hunting community once they realize how the options provided will benefit them is what “I think” they are going for.

All that said make it lightweight, repeatable, good glass and reticle for a decent price and I will most likely buy one.

 

[Lando]

Yes sir.

I’ve killed multiple coues bucks past 500 yards with the SWFA fixed 6 but in certain conditions it would have helped to have 9-12x.

I think people need to consider eyesight differences too. I frankly don't think that my 48-year-old eyes could get the crosshair where it needs to be with enough certainty at 600 yards on a Coues deer. I think that's like eyesight at 100 yards on 6x, but 9x seems hard already.

 

[ElPollo]

The desire for higher magnification is pretty pervasive through the rifle optics market. Most cannot fathom how more cannot be better. Personally I can see the benefit of it at the range for shooting groups, but that’s where it ends. If you take your 15-30x top end scope to the field with some steel targets and a timer and compare these magnifications to shooting at 6-10x, you’ll start to recognize the downsides of the higher magnification in terms of time to get on target, keeping the target in view through recoil, and time to reacquire the target for a second shot. This is a real thing. The benefits you might get out of shooting smaller groups at the range or using your rifle scope to judge a rack sort of evaporate when you consider that it just adds weight and expense and makes your set up more difficult to quickly and reliably kill with.

 

[Grillnugz]

Make a swfa 3-9 type scope with capped windage and parallax. If you can hit 20-22 oz you’ll have a winner.

Also make it 12-13” in length

 

[Formidilosus]

The scope is not being designed by committee. It is what Ryan and I want it to be with some limitations based on time and cost.
Just as with the stocks, the suppressors, the rings, the bolt knobs, the bags, etc, etc- no offense to anyone, but random desires aren’t changing anything.

Every company tries to be everything to everyone, and end up sucking for all.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

The scope is not being designed by committee. It is what Ryan and I want it to be with some limitations based on time and cost.
Just as with the stocks, the suppressors, the rings, the bolt knobs, the bags, etc, etc- no offense to anyone, but random desires aren’t changing anything.

Every company tries to be everything to everyone, and end up sucking for all.

I'll buy a few as designed, and then buy a bakers dozen when ya'll come out with a fixed 8x50 variant

 

[Choupique]

Every company tries to be everything to everyone, and end up sucking for all.

Excellent. Decision by committee is corporate communism. Its awful. Glad to see this approach.

 

[Moosehunter]

The scope is not being designed by committee. It is what Ryan and I want it to be with some limitations based on time and cost.
Just as with the stocks, the suppressors, the rings, the bolt knobs, the bags, etc, etc- no offense to anyone, but random desires aren’t changing anything.

Every company tries to be everything to everyone, and end up sucking for all.

We know you like fixed power for some applications.
A more affordable 6x or maybe 8x would be over the top.
Probably won't buy a variable but would be interested in a fixed for sure.
Do what you guys want tho. Likely will be a phenomenal product. I'm just crossing my fingers for future fixed power options

Edit to add: I shoot small cartridges inside 400 yards at game

 

[Dobermann]

If it's still the same, Form had answered me in this thread that it will be 14x, so for me personally it will come down to the specs. Basically if it doesn't offer an advantage over the RS1.2 or a Tenmile, I couldn't justify buying one if they're at the same price point. If it comes out around 22oz and $1k, absolutely.

Pretty sure there's enough information about this scope publicly that says that this one will offer advantages of those two ...

 

[The Guide]

I'll buy a few as designed, and then buy a bakers dozen when ya'll come out with a fixed 8x50 variant

Because this is Rokslide and we aren't normal, it will be a 7x52 fixed power.

Jay

 

[Dobermann]

Because this is Rokslide and we aren't normal, it will be a 7x52 fixed power.

Jay

I like the contrariness of this ...

But the more I think about it seriously, it would have some benefits ...

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Because this is Rokslide and we aren't normal, it will be a 7x52 fixed power.

Jay

Ha! Works for me!

 

[Dobermann]

Ha! Works for me!

Whaddyaknow? Burris used to make one ...

 

[The Guide]

I like the contrariness of this ...

But the more I think about it seriously, it would have some benefits ...

So as it does come off as a bit contrarian, it also comes from a place of experience... I have a couple of Sig Sauer Whiskey5 3x15x52 scopes. I love them. There is a very forgiving window of eyebox, field of view, parallax, and sharpness with them around the 7x mark that is easy to leave the scope on and have everyone be able to just get behind the gun and automatically be on the target. Shots to 300 yards for even first time shooters are easier because they just don't have to search for the target. But I'm also a contrarian and like to be wierd. Make something no one else has in a form function that is new.

Jay

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I'd be willing to bet it would cut the initial sale volume in half by going with 12x over 15-16x. I understand the reasoning for it all, but there are far more customers out there that are either completely oblivious to the functional aspects, or still just don't want to be limited to that range. Myself included. At some point regardless of functionality, market awareness and consumer demand has to play into the equation, unless the lower volume of sales will still surpass your investment cost.

Well since form posted it was a 3-14 already they split the difference.