Gold Tip Ballistic Collar?

[jmez]

Did you glue them on?

No, I wasn't sure if I was going to keep or sell the arrows so didn't glue them. I'm going to glue the rest of them with CoolMelt and try to leave some extra glue right at the top of the collar. That may help.

Shooting them as is into bag targets won't work.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I'm gonna make up half a dozen of these with brass hit and use the balistic collars. If I have trouble with them I am just going to stick with regular axis arrows. I've never had any issue with axis and hit what so ever.

 

[tipsntails7]

I have about two hundred shots on three arrows into foam and bag target since I built the arrows and so far they are holding up amazing.

How did you set the depth for the hits? Also I thought vpa was coming out with something for deep six sized shafts as well. I think it was called the ROC, can't find it anywhere though.

 

[Trial153]

How did you set the depth for the hits? Also I thought vpa was coming out with something for deep six sized shafts as well. I think it was called the ROC, can't find it anywhere though.

The collar has a flange, so when I am ready to install the HIT I just place the collar on the arrow with the flange tight to the shaft. I then use the insertion tool to set the depth.

Honestly it's not a big deal either way. The reason I say that is I have tried the collar on arrows that had the HIT already installed. The broadhead/field point has plenty of thread to hold it place. The depth of the flange I would thing is one thread or less.

 

[Trial153]

How did you set the depth for the hits? Also I thought vpa was coming out with something for deep six sized shafts as well. I think it was called the ROC, can't find it anywhere though.

Yes Ray does have post system that he will be putting out for use with the real micro shafts. It's an epoxied threaded rod that is set in place and then the outsert is placed over it and screwed into place.
If you give him a call he may have them available.

 

[jmez]

No Limit Archery is coming out with the ROC system. It looks very promising to me but who knows when they will be released. Originally they said March, then they said April, now they are saying Summer 2015. I've given up on them for this year as I need to get some arrows built.

VPA has two systems, one is a modified system to use their broadheads in the Deep Six inserts. The other is a post and screw system similar to ROC but it is a limited run item, will only fit a couple shafts and they are expensive.

 

[ontarget7]

Going to have to apologize for jumping the gun on those shafts breaking. Had some Black Eagles break straight across like that and just assumed that's what happened.
I looked at the jagged edge and assumed they just broke. Never have lost inserts like that so it didn't even dawn on me. The jagged edge is just the insert glue.

Again my apologies !

 

[Jtelarkin08]

Going to have to apologize for jumping the gun on those shafts breaking. Had some Black Eagles break straight across like that and just assumed that's what happened.
I looked at the jagged edge and assumed they just broke. Never have lost inserts like that so it didn't even dawn on me. The jagged edge is just the insert glue.

Again my apologies !

I'm glad to see you just lost inserts. I'm building a dozen of these right now.

 

[5MilesBack]

Ya, but you still lost the inserts on some arrows. I shot an elk one year with an outsert tipped arrow and the outsert actually broke off leaving just the end of it inside the shaft. Obviously a SS outsert won't do that, but it might still break the arrow or come off like yours did.

I still use some outsert tipped arrows, because they are epoxied in. But I try to limit those to non-hunting shafts.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

Ya, but you still lost the inserts on some arrows. I shot an elk one year with an outsert tipped arrow and the outsert actually broke off leaving just the end of it inside the shaft. Obviously a SS outsert won't do that, but it might still break the arrow or come off like yours did.

I still use some outsert tipped arrows, because they are epoxied in. But I try to limit those to non-hunting shafts.

Losing the insert is completely different than having a shaft break.. That could be as simple as not enough glue, some dirt not letting the glue stick good or the collar catching while pulling the arrows.. THe insert wasnt lost on the shot most likely.. It was probably lost while pulling the arrows

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I just made up half a dozen of these with brass hit inserts.. I don't think i really like the ballistic collars.. They seem to fit good with a broadhead but i need a different size field tip to fit with them.. Also i shoot a bag style target and don't think they will last very long.. I will get some tips that fit with them and see how they are but i may skip out on using them as of right now

 

[jmez]

The bag will tear them up.

 

[5MilesBack]

Losing the insert is completely different than having a shaft break.. That could be as simple as not enough glue, some dirt not letting the glue stick good or the collar catching while pulling the arrows.. THe insert wasnt lost on the shot most likely.. It was probably lost while pulling the arrows

It is different.......but still ends with the same result......a useless arrow. I don't like using or carrying around useless stuff. Regardless of the reason why they came off or out, it's still the same.......they still aren't attached to the arrow anymore. That's a problem. I do everything I can to eliminate problem areas with my gear.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

It is different.......but still ends with the same result......a useless arrow. I don't like using or carrying around useless stuff. Regardless of the reason why they came off or out, it's still the same.......they still aren't attached to the arrow anymore. That's a problem. I do everything I can to eliminate problem areas with my gear.

Lol that's retarded bc it could have happened to any insert on the market with bad glue and a hard to pull target . The arrow isn't useless. Throw another insert in and it's good to go.

 

[5MilesBack]

Lol that's retarded bc it could have happened to any insert on the market with bad glue and a hard to pull target . The arrow isn't useless. Throw another insert in and it's good to go. Until that one comes out as well.

I have NEVER had a HIT insert come loose or out in the 8+ years I've been using them. So when an outsert breaks off, or comes loose using the same epoxy I don't blame the epoxy, dirt, or the arrow. And for clarification, until you get back home or to a shop or otherwise, that arrow without an insert (or outsert) IS useless to me. And you're making assumptions that the glue was bad. When it happens over and over with different glues, eventually you'll see a pattern. And after seeing a pattern, if you still don't see it as a problem......well, can't help you there.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I have NEVER had a HIT insert come loose or out in the 8+ years I've been using them. So when an outsert breaks off, or comes loose using the same epoxy I don't blame the epoxy, dirt, or the arrow. And for clarification, until you get back home or to a shop or otherwise, that arrow without an insert (or outsert) IS useless to me. And you're making assumptions that the glue was bad. When it happens over and over with different glues, eventually you'll see a pattern. And after seeing a pattern, if you still don't see it as a problem......well, can't help you there.

I have had hit inserts come out b4 but not many. I am using hit inserts in the kinetics I built. So by me saying I'm glad the insert pulled out I am just glad it was a shitty insert problem and not the arrow shaft its self.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

Well I spoke to soon. Just had 3 brass HIT inserts pull out of my kinetic kaos shafts. Apparently it isn't a insert problem but a problem with the glue sticking to the shaft. I'm going to get a wire brush and rough the inside of the shaft up a little to give it something to stick to. Then re clean it with acetone

 

[Trial153]

Well I spoke to soon. Just had 3 brass HIT inserts pull out of my kinetic kaos shafts. Apparently it isn't a insert problem but a problem with the glue sticking to the shaft. I'm going to get a wire brush and rough the inside of the shaft up a little to give it something to stick to. Then re clean it with acetone

What glue where you using?

I been using a 24 hour two part epoxy ...over kill yes. But it not picky as far as prep goes..

 

[Jtelarkin08]

What glue where you using?

I been using a 24 hour two part epoxy ...over kill yes. But it not picky as far as prep goes..

I just used the Easton epoxy that comes in the little packets. My bow shop had a lot of extra so I grabbed a few. I'm gonna go get 24 hour at lunch.

 

[Trial153]

I just used the Easton epoxy that comes in the little packets. My bow shop had a lot of extra so I grabbed a few. I'm gonna go get 24 hour at lunch.

Don't be afraid of 24 hour epoxy that gorilla glue makes...it's easy to find in Walmart, hardware stores ect .... I have used and good luck, doesn't seem any different then the AAE epoxy.