Gold Tip Ballistic Collar?

[tipsntails7]

Also, do the nock bushings come glued in? I didn't try too hard but they weren't moving

Yes they do

 

[5MilesBack]

You mean like these?

You had to break the shaft on those. You got any pics of the shafts?

I have a 1/2 dozen of the Kinetic XT 200's that I put the GT outserts in and have been shooting them for a couple months now without any issues, but I haven't been shooting them into rocks or steel yet. I have bent them before in the past, but not inside the shaft like you've shown. Just on the exposed part. I still prefer HIT's, but I'm gonna shoot these until they break or I have a problem with them.

Mine come in at 532gr with 125's, shooting them at 286fps out of my Freak.

 

[5MilesBack]

Also, do the nock bushings come glued in? I didn't try too hard but they weren't moving

Nock bushings? Do the new Kaos shafts come with nock bushings? What kind of nock would you put in the bushing? I run the Bohning A nocks in all of my arrows that are .204" inside diameter, and like them better than any other nock I've tried.

 

[PMcGee]

Nock bushings? Do the new Kaos shafts come with nock bushings? What kind of nock would you put in the bushing? I run the Bohning A nocks in all of my arrows that are .204" inside diameter, and like them better than any other nock I've tried.

I think they do I'm wondering if you could buy them without the bushings. I use the A nick as well.

 

[Broken Compass]

So if I go wth the hits are they from Easton? Just the ones that go to the fmj or a 204 od?

 

[PMcGee]

so if i go wth the hits are they from easton? Just the ones that go to the fmj or a 204 od?

204 i.d.

 

[jmez]

I think I read on AT that they are no longer gluing the nock bushings in at the factory.

 

[tipsntails7]

I think they do I'm wondering if you could buy them without the bushings. I use the A nick as well.

As far as I know you cannot, which is why they now charge more for a shaft that has worse tolerances then the old pro's. That and the ballistic collar. I cut my shafts from both ends so it doesn't bother me. But I will say I won't be buying the kaos arrows again.

 

[Trial153]

I don't see what you couldn't cut the bushing off, and install xnocks or any other nocking that fit .204 .
I am also pretty sure that jerry at south shore said his were coming with the bushing loose...so cutting them may not even be needed.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

I am going to give the gold tip inserts with the collar a try.. Its only 12 grain lighter than if i just run a brass Hit and i can hot melt the gold tip insert and not worry about them coming loose.. I sent Tim Gillingham a Msg today and he said the collar has taken care of the bending problem from what he has seen.. Ive tried 2 different epoxy and i can't get the Hit inserts to stay..

I am sure in the next week i will go back to the Hit inserts tho.. Gonna get some of that AAE Max impact and see if it will keep them in

 

[5MilesBack]

Ive tried 2 different epoxy and i can't get the Hit inserts to stay.

Have you tried the HIT 2-part 24 hour epoxy? That's all I use on HIT's and never had an issue with them staying in any arrow. The only thing I don't like about the Kinetics is that they come at 30", so I can't cut anything off them. Just square and go.

 

[tipsntails7]

Have you tried the HIT 2-part 24 hour epoxy? That's all I use on HIT's and never had an issue with them staying in any arrow. The only thing I don't like about the Kinetics is that they come at 30", so I can't cut anything off them. Just square and go.

It's the shaft, not the glue. I've tried hit glue, 48 hour slow set an even gave gorilla glue a try. I've lost inserts out of all of them, never lost an insert out of the XT kinetics or axis arrows. Run a .204 brass brush up the shaft, clean with acetone let dry, then glue inserts.

 

[5MilesBack]

So you're saying the inside of the Kaos shafts is different than the regular Kinetics? I never use acetone on my arrows.

The more I hear about the Kaos, the more they sound like a downgrade to the original Kinetics for more money. That's the same thing CX did with their Maxima line.

 

[Jtelarkin08]

It's the shaft, not the glue. I've tried hit glue, 48 hour slow set an even gave gorilla glue a try. I've lost inserts out of all of them, never lost an insert out of the XT kinetics or axis arrows. Run a .204 brass brush up the shaft, clean with acetone let dry, then glue inserts.

what were you able to get them to stick with?

 

[Jtelarkin08]

So you're saying the inside of the Kaos shafts is different than the regular Kinetics? I never use acetone on my arrows.

The more I hear about the Kaos, the more they sound like a downgrade to the original Kinetics for more money. That's the same thing CX did with their Maxima line.

Yes it is def different.. I have tried the Hit 24 hour and gorilla glue epoxy.. the glue is stuck to the insert but doesn't stick to the wall of the shaft

 

[tipsntails7]

So you're saying the inside of the Kaos shafts is different than the regular Kinetics? I never use acetone on my arrows.

The more I hear about the Kaos, the more they sound like a downgrade to the original Kinetics for more money. That's the same thing CX did with their Maxima line.

Honestly that's all I can think of at this point, like I said I won't be buying anymore.

 

[tipsntails7]

what were you able to get them to stick with?

Nothing yet.....

 

[El Gavilan]

On mine I cut, squared the end then swabbed it out with a qtip and regular rubbing alcohol, then glued the inserts with the blue top superglue from Loctite. I've been shooting them for about 2 months into a block black target with no issues at all. I am pretty generous with the glue and I rotate the insert as it goes in.

Mike

 

[Broken Compass]

I bought some hits (the aluminum ones) just for the benefit of getting a more solid connection than the outserts. But then realized you can't add weight to the back so I think I am going to use the outserts so I can fine tune spine by adding/subtracting weight as I increase draw weight through out the year

 

[Broken Compass]

Of course I guess I won't be able to do that with nock collars