Gold Tip Ballistic Collar?

[jmez]

I used the Easton epoxy they came with. Otherwise I used Gorilla Glue. Never lost or had an insert move with either one.

 

[5MilesBack]

What glue or epoxy are you guys using with the HITs?

I always use the 24-hour two part epoxy that comes with them if I'm doing an entire set. Otherwise I just use some other 24-hour two part epoxy from the hardware store. I've only had one come loose. That was on an arrow that went through the back of the target and hit a "T" post on the back side. It mushroomed the field point and broke the insert free, but the arrow was fine.

 

[Trial153]

I use AAE or Gorilla two part epoxy for hits.

 

[jmez]

Thanks! Do the collars snag much when removing the arrows from the target?

Yes, in a bag they are terrible. Shot mine today and that may be a deal breaker. Pulled out of Glen Del fine, but the bag not so much. I mainly shoot bag targets and only use the foam for BH's. It is going to be a problem.

I actually thought the Kinetics were smaller diameter than they are. They are the same diameter as a regular FMJ and not as heavy. Not seeing any advantage to them at this point. Likely won't be keeping them.

 

[ontarget7]

Personally I am not opposed to the ballistic collars. I have a couple dozen of the new Kaos arrows with zero issues. Now if you do shoot a bag target they will make it a little harder to pull out due to the hang up on the edge of the ballistic collar. I have always liked the Kinetics for their durability and feel the ballistic collar gives that little extra protection to the outsert they have had since they introduced the Kinetics.

The nock bushings give some extra protection to glancing blows on the end of the shaft. Don't expect them to hold up to direct hits thou. Tried to spread out this group at 20 yards some, not wanting to break any shafts. Well, that was a big failure trying to thread the needle with these bareshafts.

 

[5MilesBack]

I actually thought the Kinetics were smaller diameter than they are. They are the same diameter as a regular FMJ and not as heavy. Not seeing any advantage to them at this point. Likely won't be keeping them.

The biggest advantage for me over the FMJ's is durability. My FMJ's lasted 3 weeks before they wobbled like crazy and the groups opened up significantly. Durability is also the advantage over regular carbon shafts as well; well that, and the ability to have a heavier arrow shaft. The thinner diameter thick-walled carbons are much more durable than their counterparts. Quite frankly, I haven't found a "need" for any type of collar or otherwise with any of my .204" inside diameter arrows. They've all held up great.

 

[tipsntails7]

The biggest advantage for me over the FMJ's is durability. My FMJ's lasted 3 weeks before they wobbled like crazy and the groups opened up significantly. Durability is also the advantage over regular carbon shafts as well; well that, and the ability to have a heavier arrow shaft. The thinner diameter thick-walled carbons are much more durable than their counterparts. Quite frankly, I haven't found a "need" for any type of collar or otherwise with any of my .204" inside diameter arrows. They've all held up great.

I agree 5 miles, it's hard to get your FOC high on FMJ's and once they are bent they are toast. They are great if you get them for free. . Other then that I find them a bit over rated.

 

[ChadS]

I also agree about FMJs, I will take all carbon over those any day. For now its kinetics. If easton made a stiffer carbon injexion I would shoot them too

 

[ChadS]

My collars showed up in the mail today. I am going to glue them on, and re set all my brass HITs with the AAE max impact to. I think its going to make them way tougher.

 

[5MilesBack]

My collars showed up in the mail today. I am going to glue them on, and re set all my brass HITs with the AAE max impact to. I think its going to make them way tougher.

Have you had issues with them before? Are the HIT's coming loose or what?

 

[Trial153]

I ordered the collar adapters from VPA, Ray set me with with two dozen for some BEA rampages...I am going to use them with brass hits. I will post up pictures when the come in

 

[jmez]

Collars not holding up well with a bag target. Been shooting them a couple of weeks and the tops of the collars are breaking and peeling down.

 

[ChadS]

Collars not holding up well with a bag target. Been shooting them a couple of weeks and the tops of the collars are breaking and peeling down.

Did you glue them on?

 

[ontarget7]

In the past I have had some issues with shafts always breaking off right at the outsert and the reason I thought maybe the ballistic collars would add that extra protection needed. Not sure that is working out to well, lost 3 just over the weekend.

 

[trkyslr]

In the past I have had some issues with shafts always breaking off right at the outsert and the reason I thought maybe the ballistic collars would add that extra protection needed. Not sure that is working out to well, lost 3 just over the weekend.

are you breaking them hitting other arrows shooting at same dot still? If not what are the hitting that's breaking them? If so, no arrow is indestructible from constant shooting and strikes to a heard object imo. I've seen some of the toughest arrows with 3d tourni tips and knocks to minimize breaking still get shattered. You hit anything hard arrows will break. I've seen it even with hit inserts as well.

 

[ontarget7]

are you breaking them hitting other arrows shooting at same dot still? If not what are the hitting that's breaking them? If so, no arrow is indestructible from constant shooting and strikes to a heard object imo. I've seen some of the toughest arrows with 3d tourni tips and knocks to minimize breaking still get shattered. You hit anything hard arrows will break. I've seen it even with hit inserts as well.

Carpet layered targets at 60 yards, lost 3 arrows all the same way

 

[5MilesBack]

Carpet layered targets at 60 yards, lost 3 arrows all the same way

Just from a physics standpoint, the further you put the point away from the arrow shaft (like with an outsert), the easier it should be to break the end of the shaft......especially with ANY kind of force that isn't 100% directed straight back through the shaft. Any of that off-center force, even a little, should damage or break the shaft easier than having the point as close as possible to the end of the shaft. I've broken off outserts without breaking the shaft, and I've also broken shafts as you've done above. But I have yet to break or damage a shaft with a HIT insert in about 9 years of using them.

And I hate carpet targets. Unfortunately you get even better penetration into them with HIT's and a flush point.

 

[ontarget7]

Agreed !!!
The HIT inserts hold up better and standard even better

 

[Trial153]

I am using these collars with HITS in BEA rampages. I got them from Ray at VPA. They are tapered and have a flange, held in place buy either the force of the broadhead being screwed in to the insert, I also epoxied them....I like the tapper better then the GT....they come in different sizes for different shafts. I have both .300 and .340 for BEA rampages.

 

[Trial153]

I have about two hundred shots on three arrows into foam and bag target since I built the arrows and so far they are holding up amazing.