Enough gun?

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This. 223 was a poodle shooter; 30-06 was the bare minimum for hunting in Alaska; the 270 shot light bullets and was too small for an ethical hunter to use on anything but deer; a 375 H&H was a good place to start on big bears and 338 win mag was for wimps, but I really liked a coworkers 458 Lott; Etc.

Those are all opinions I held not too long ago. Then I sat down and decided to prove I was right, now I carry a 223 bolt gun in country with bears; came across some brown bear tracks last weekend that my entire foot fit into without touching the edges, of course I have pathetic little size 9-10 feet, so that is not necessarily a "big bear."

If I was not able to pick my bullets, I would certainly opt for a larger caliber. But, being able to pick my bullet, I will go for a smaller caliber.

To the OP, @Billy Goat covered it well with the vehicle comparison (and less wordy than what I first typed). Energy does not kill, energy transfer kills. Energy transfer is driven by the projectile, this is why an arrow can kill, or a baseball bat. Energy transfer to vital organs will kill more efficiently than energy transfer to the entire organism (why 120,000ish ft-lbs of a vehicle going 35 mph is not instantly lethal in all cases, of course that energy transfer is quite a bit more complicated than just the KE number as well).

Edit: Last point, it is KE, not energy. Energy covers a significantly broader range to include momentum, temperature, gravity, magnetism, Etc. Energy transfer applies to all of these.
Agree, my dad's favorite brown bear cartridge was the 375 H&H back in the 70's.
 

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I’m sitting in my 5500 class pickup right now giggling at boomers and their thin framed baby 1 tons in here talking crap. What a bunch of sillyness and horrible analogy.

Taperpin is so excited for these threads lately, it’s almost as bad as JGRaider and Leupold threads. I think TP might have officially taken over as lead “baby 1 ton boomer”.
 

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If you're not driving a 18 speed tandem rig, you have no room to speak on size. You're 1 ton pickup is a glorified ford ranger.
I loose, most I've ever done is 16 speed tandem on a tractor.

A fire department I was on had this old logging truck that was converted into a tanker, it could have used a tandem rig. I was one of the few guys who could drive a manual and got stuck driving it when needed. The flywheel did not always get things aligned and shifting was a game of trying to get it to slip into gear. It was so underpowered that unless you were going down hill, if the shift took longer than 1 or 2 seconds you had to go back into the lower gear and build speed again. More gears than 4 would have been amazing. Though, the breaks were undersized for the load too, and it was probably good that getting to 45 mph was about impossible.
 

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So to get this right for the record, are these correct?

16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 270 win
5500 = 300 mag
18 speed = 33 xc
16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 6.5 CM, 270, 300s (usually used for what the Prius does well, but some edge cases used to justify them)
5500 = 375 H&H up to a 50 BMG, lets face it, if a bull elephant is trying to stomp me at 20 yards away, well Form has some work to do before I take green goblins for that job (need some photos an how the elephants skull is paper thin)
18 speed = light artillery, because anyone not hunting sheep with a Anzio Ironworks 20 mm is just a poser and 40,000 ft-lbs is the minimum for ethically hunting anything bigger than a yote
 

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I’m sitting in my WIFE'S 5500 class pickup right now IN THE PASSENGER SEAT WHILE SHE IS AT THE WHEEL giggling at boomers and their thin framed baby 1 tons in here talking crap. What a bunch of sillyness and horrible analogy.

Taperpin is so excited for these threads lately, it’s almost as bad as JGRaider and Leupold threads. I think TP might have officially taken over as lead “baby 1 ton boomer”.

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OP speaking...

To those who disagreed with me respectfully - with construtive criticisms - we can just agree to disagree. Thank you for your comments. I respect your opinions and learned a few things.

To those who chose to vent and rudely criticize my respectful post - consider being thankful that you have a forum where you can share your thoughts without getting ugly.

Over & Out.
 
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OP speaking...

To those who disagreed with me respectfully - with construtive criticisms - we can just agree to disagree. Thank you for your comments. I respect your opinions and learned a few things.

To those who chose to vent and rudely criticize my respectful post - consider being thankful that you have a forum where you can share your thoughts without getting ugly.

Over & Out.

Now you know why I didn't post anything more than I did...
 
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