Enough gun?

[Robobiss]

There’s an unexplained anomaly called the “creedmoor dip”, potentially a weight savings tactic by backcountry hunters.
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Hmmmm.

Is this based off of cartridge length, or diameter?

What about the most important, foot-pounds at the muzzle?

 

[Shō[t]gun]

Hmmmm.

Is this based off of cartridge length, or diameter?

What about the most important, foot-pounds at the muzzle?

NATO standard, diameter x length.

 

[Gorp2007]

NATO standard, diameter x length.

NATO standard? Isn’t that based off of the metric system? I didn’t realize you hated America, John Wayne, and baby Jesus.

 

[Shō[t]gun]

NATO standard? Isn’t that based off of the metric system? I didn’t realize you hated America, John Wayne, and baby Jesus.

More because the conversion confuses fudds. Powder content and velocity is irrelevant, we all know the name on the box matters more.

 

[Weldor]

This. 223 was a poodle shooter; 30-06 was the bare minimum for hunting in Alaska; the 270 shot light bullets and was too small for an ethical hunter to use on anything but deer; a 375 H&H was a good place to start on big bears and 338 win mag was for wimps, but I really liked a coworkers 458 Lott; Etc.

Those are all opinions I held not too long ago. Then I sat down and decided to prove I was right, now I carry a 223 bolt gun in country with bears; came across some brown bear tracks last weekend that my entire foot fit into without touching the edges, of course I have pathetic little size 9-10 feet, so that is not necessarily a "big bear."

If I was not able to pick my bullets, I would certainly opt for a larger caliber. But, being able to pick my bullet, I will go for a smaller caliber.

To the OP, @Billy Goat covered it well with the vehicle comparison (and less wordy than what I first typed). Energy does not kill, energy transfer kills. Energy transfer is driven by the projectile, this is why an arrow can kill, or a baseball bat. Energy transfer to vital organs will kill more efficiently than energy transfer to the entire organism (why 120,000ish ft-lbs of a vehicle going 35 mph is not instantly lethal in all cases, of course that energy transfer is quite a bit more complicated than just the KE number as well).

Edit: Last point, it is KE, not energy. Energy covers a significantly broader range to include momentum, temperature, gravity, magnetism, Etc. Energy transfer applies to all of these.

Agree, my dad's favorite brown bear cartridge was the 375 H&H back in the 70's.

 

[Robobiss]

NATO standard, diameter x length.

Christ, I’m in more trouble than I thought.

That’s why she left

 

[Flyjunky]

Back to the Prius vs 1 ton analogy, when the store is 50 miles away, and gas is $5/gal, is it worth driving the 1 ton?

It’s always worth driving the 1 ton.

 

[JBradley500]

NATO standard? Isn’t that based off of the metric system? I didn’t realize you hated America, John Wayne, and baby Jesus.

And the 270 Win... the red, white, and blue cartridge that defies physics.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

I’m sitting in my 5500 class pickup right now giggling at boomers and their thin framed baby 1 tons in here talking crap. What a bunch of sillyness and horrible analogy.

Taperpin is so excited for these threads lately, it’s almost as bad as JGRaider and Leupold threads. I think TP might have officially taken over as lead “baby 1 ton boomer”.

 

[Marbles]

This would be highly dependent on how many groceries need to be hauled home. If your wife buys groceries like mine 2 or 3 trips would be required with the prius because of the small payload capacity.

You're doing it wrong.

 

[IDVortex]

If you're not driving a 18 speed tandem rig, you have no room to speak on size. You're 1 ton pickup is a glorified ford ranger.

 

[eoperator]

You're doing it wrong.View attachment 719429

So to get this right for the record, are these correct?

16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 270 win
5500 = 300 mag
18 speed = 33 xc

 

[Marbles]

If you're not driving a 18 speed tandem rig, you have no room to speak on size. You're 1 ton pickup is a glorified ford ranger.

I loose, most I've ever done is 16 speed tandem on a tractor.

A fire department I was on had this old logging truck that was converted into a tanker, it could have used a tandem rig. I was one of the few guys who could drive a manual and got stuck driving it when needed. The flywheel did not always get things aligned and shifting was a game of trying to get it to slip into gear. It was so underpowered that unless you were going down hill, if the shift took longer than 1 or 2 seconds you had to go back into the lower gear and build speed again. More gears than 4 would have been amazing. Though, the breaks were undersized for the load too, and it was probably good that getting to 45 mph was about impossible.

 

[IDVortex]

So to get this right for the record, are these correct?

16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 270 win
5500 = 300 mag
18 speed = 120mm cannon

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Marbles]

So to get this right for the record, are these correct?

16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 270 win
5500 = 300 mag
18 speed = 33 xc

16klb prius =.223 & 77 tmk
1 ton = 6.5 CM, 270, 300s (usually used for what the Prius does well, but some edge cases used to justify them)
5500 = 375 H&H up to a 50 BMG, lets face it, if a bull elephant is trying to stomp me at 20 yards away, well Form has some work to do before I take green goblins for that job (need some photos an how the elephants skull is paper thin)
18 speed = light artillery, because anyone not hunting sheep with a Anzio Ironworks 20 mm is just a poser and 40,000 ft-lbs is the minimum for ethically hunting anything bigger than a yote

 

[Flyjunky]

18 speed tandem…pfft, go home

 

[Reburn]

I’m sitting in my WIFE'S 5500 class pickup right now IN THE PASSENGER SEAT WHILE SHE IS AT THE WHEEL giggling at boomers and their thin framed baby 1 tons in here talking crap. What a bunch of sillyness and horrible analogy.

Taperpin is so excited for these threads lately, it’s almost as bad as JGRaider and Leupold threads. I think TP might have officially taken over as lead “baby 1 ton boomer”.

FIFY

 

[Billy Goat]

You're doing it wrong.View attachment 719429

And backing is stupid easy.


No mirrors, just jack knife pivot, and you now just driving it forward.

 

[D Lee]

OP speaking...

To those who disagreed with me respectfully - with construtive criticisms - we can just agree to disagree. Thank you for your comments. I respect your opinions and learned a few things.

To those who chose to vent and rudely criticize my respectful post - consider being thankful that you have a forum where you can share your thoughts without getting ugly.

Over & Out.

 

[roadrunner]

OP speaking...

To those who disagreed with me respectfully - with construtive criticisms - we can just agree to disagree. Thank you for your comments. I respect your opinions and learned a few things.

To those who chose to vent and rudely criticize my respectful post - consider being thankful that you have a forum where you can share your thoughts without getting ugly.

Over & Out.

Now you know why I didn't post anything more than I did...