Woweee, been an elk hunting client since clear back in 2001...I didn't know it was that long.
Obviously, your one week of hunting the west off and on for 20 years makes you an expert...
Elk Hunting Montana Outfitters
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Obviously, your one week of hunting the west off and on for 20 years makes you an expert...
It's all the wolves fault...
missoulacurrent.com
During the meeting, Blackfoot watershed biologist Scott Eggeman said he was concerned that Worsech’s requirement to combine districts based only on elk characteristics and to get rid of permits in favor of general tags left biologists with fewer tools to work with.
However, some don’t believe the cost of living is the only reason FWP is losing biologists or can’t find people willing to take on wildlife supervisory positions. In just one year, FWP and the state of Montana have pushed through a lot of changes related to wildlife management, and few if any, are backed by science. In fact, FWP Chief of Staff Quentin Kujala said in May that Worsech has put an end to long-term research projects.
Biologists are being told to do things that aren’t necessarily good for the wildlife populations they manage, but if they don’t, they could lose their jobs.
And my personal favorite:
At the December commission meeting, Worsech also said that elk population objectives should be based only on human tolerance, not habitat considerations. That would basically eliminate biology from the question.
Missoula region FWP supervisor retires suddenly prior to elk season upheaval
As of Thursday, Mike Thompson is no longer the FWP Region 2 wildlife manager, according to FWP sources. Thompson’s departure appears to be short-notice, leaving some in Region 2 a little stunned. A few are suspicious.
missoulacurrent.com
During the meeting, Blackfoot watershed biologist Scott Eggeman said he was concerned that Worsech’s requirement to combine districts based only on elk characteristics and to get rid of permits in favor of general tags left biologists with fewer tools to work with.
However, some don’t believe the cost of living is the only reason FWP is losing biologists or can’t find people willing to take on wildlife supervisory positions. In just one year, FWP and the state of Montana have pushed through a lot of changes related to wildlife management, and few if any, are backed by science. In fact, FWP Chief of Staff Quentin Kujala said in May that Worsech has put an end to long-term research projects.
Biologists are being told to do things that aren’t necessarily good for the wildlife populations they manage, but if they don’t, they could lose their jobs.
And my personal favorite:
At the December commission meeting, Worsech also said that elk population objectives should be based only on human tolerance, not habitat considerations. That would basically eliminate biology from the question.
I have not been anyones "client" in many years, with the exception of ONE time i screwed up and hunted with an elk outfitter. Not sure why you think every NR is a "client" of some outfitter and is incapable of hunting on their own. I have hunted the west MUCH more than on or off for a week the last 20 years. Its clear you should educate yourself on quite a few other areas, including the wolf issue. You just keep making yourself look like a jerk with your comments.
And when did i claim to be an expert? You are the only "expert" i have ever encountered on rokslide.
Sorry, don't care what a NR elk hunter that hunts once every few years has to say about wolves, elk, or much of anything else.
You haven't spent the time to know from experience or even take the time to talk to those that know. You also need to read some research.
Yes, we should listen to NR's who lived here 50 years ago and don't have even a basic understanding of the hunting regulations, available permits, and quotas but proclaim themselves the expert on all things NWMT regardless.
Sounds like a good plan!
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Just read the article and thank you for sharing. Sounds like the MT FWP is a hot mess and the results of these non-evidenced-based management proposals could be tremendously damaging to all big game species. This would be like the Iowa DNR setting whitetail population targets based on auto insurers "tolerance" for collisions. Very bad news for MT.It's all the wolves fault...
Missoula region FWP supervisor retires suddenly prior to elk season upheaval
As of Thursday, Mike Thompson is no longer the FWP Region 2 wildlife manager, according to FWP sources. Thompson’s departure appears to be short-notice, leaving some in Region 2 a little stunned. A few are suspicious.
During the meeting, Blackfoot watershed biologist Scott Eggeman said he was concerned that Worsech’s requirement to combine districts based only on elk characteristics and to get rid of permits in favor of general tags left biologists with fewer tools to work with.
However, some don’t believe the cost of living is the only reason FWP is losing biologists or can’t find people willing to take on wildlife supervisory positions. In just one year, FWP and the state of Montana have pushed through a lot of changes related to wildlife management, and few if any, are backed by science. In fact, FWP Chief of Staff Quentin Kujala said in May that Worsech has put an end to long-term research projects.
Biologists are being told to do things that aren’t necessarily good for the wildlife populations they manage, but if they don’t, they could lose their jobs.
And my personal favorite:
At the December commission meeting, Worsech also said that elk population objectives should be based only on human tolerance, not habitat considerations. That would basically eliminate biology from the question.
Well aware of the regulations, harvest stats, and have hunted/trapped/fished Montana since 1979, my family since the 1940's...never have missed a season. Born in Montana, same as my Grandfather and Father.
When did you move to Montana again?
How long have you been hunting Montana?
You've already been told...what meme's next?
Any other pertinent information you have to share?
Never did get when you moved to Montana?
Just that one. I actually only responded to your ridiculous post so that you would respond, and I could then respond with that sloth.
Have a wonderful weekend! You could use the time to review the Montana hunting regulations...or whatever, I don't care!
This has been going on for a long time...just now coming to a head. I've known Mike since the 80's, never agreed with him on everything, but they even ran him out.
For those that have been living this "management" for the last 30-40 years, its business as usual.
Had a handful of folks in the past with FWP, along with a couple relentless NGO's that kept it at bay or at least the damage to a minimum.
Complacency and hunter apathy have a price...and Montana is paying it.
Thank you for your well thought out response and contributions to the importance of wildlife management. Buy another $20 elk tag next year, go all out for wildlife.
strattonje2020
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When you have no facts or pertinent information to add...act like a child.
Last one, I promise!
Considering what little you have to work with, I realize you're doing your "best".
Impressive.
strattonje2020
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like we are all on the same team. we all want more mature bulls to kill. buzz you shoot cougars and bsndecker and i will shoot the wolfs. meet in the middle?
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keep it civil don’t want it shut down….won’t help any us who are in the know and agree to disagree on the wolf landscape knowing wolf numbers hopefully will be reduced by guys trapping and they are to be applauded for their time out as it is extremely difficult
I'll shoot both...
What I want is honesty, facts, and taking the emotion out of predator discussions. Its not about more mature bulls, its about proper management, which hasn't happened in Montana for a long, long time for any species.
And its about to get way worse...
Talk to the FWP biologist, Tye, I have his number.keep it civil don’t want it shut down….won’t help any us who are in the know and agree to disagree on the wolf landscape knowing wolf numbers hopefully will be reduced by guys trapping and they are to be applauded for their time out as it is extremely difficult
He'll tell you that wolves in Montana absolutely are being controlled via hunting and trapping and populations have been stable at around 1000 for quite a while. He'll also tell you figure out what predator has the biggest impact, by doing some math...1000 wolves, 16,000 black bears, and 6000 lions.
Even biology aint rocket science.
Care to give him a ring and report back what he has to say?
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