Dead Air Nomad Ti XC

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

That Lti xc is going to be really quiet...I would compare this Xc I have as almost the same sound suppression as the Enticer Lti, which is really good being more than 1 inch shorter. So I would expect the Xc Lti to out preform the enticer by a significant amount.

They tested the ti xc and the enticer lti at the sound summit, what is interesting in looking at those results is the ti xc was louder at the muzzle but quiter at the shooters ear.

 

[5811]

They tested the ti xc and the enticer lti at the sound summit, what is interesting in looking at those results is the ti xc was louder at the muzzle but quiter at the shooters ear.

Which I think was on 308? I would guess the difference is more pronounced as you go up in cartridge class. My STi and my nomad LT are pretty similar on 223/6/6.5. When I swap them on 7prc, the difference is significant to say the least. I'd guess the nomad xc pulls away prc/magnum and above even more.

 

[WKR]

Which I think was on 308? I would guess the difference is more pronounced as you go up in cartridge class. My STi and my nomad LT are pretty similar on 223/6/6.5. When I swap them on 7prc, the difference is significant to say the least. I'd guess the nomad xc pulls away prc/magnum and above even more.

I can try the XC on a 20" 7 prc that currently has the DD Lti on it but I really want to look into getting something that would measure db or sound instead of just using my ears, otherwise its just conjecture.

 

[JRS3]

The Scythe is lighter by 2.3 ounces than the Nomad Ti XC. Are there any other notable advantages to the Ti Xc? I’m willing to give up 2oz if the Ti XC is noticeably quieter

7.3 ox vs 9.6 oz is not a deal killer to me if I can gain much more suppression.

 

[Tahoe1305]

The Scythe is lighter by 2.3 ounces than the Nomad Ti XC. Are there any other notable advantages to the Ti Xc? I’m willing to give up 2oz if the Ti XC is noticeably quieter

7.3 ox vs 9.6 oz is not a deal killer to me if I can gain much more suppression.

I think your weights are a tad off. He measured in previous post. 8 for scythe vs 9.4 for XC. Actual not advertised.

He also stated XC was noticeably quieter. Newer 3D printed tech and close to 20% more volume (estimated) should be quieter.

Scythe is still BA for a 5.8” can.

 

[B23]

That Lti xc is going to be really quiet..

Looks like I'm going to find out a lot sooner than I thought because I just got the "Approved" status email.

Wow, only 1.5 days to go from submitted to approved. I guess it pays to have a clean record after all.

I'm even more tempted to get the shorter Ti XC now.

 

[chrisdixon1]

Are the any concerns with 3d printed silencers vs traditional manufacture? I was all set on the scythe , but it is oos and I can get an Ti XC now. Just curious if there is any info on printed suppressors from a longevity standpoint.

 

[HandgunHTR]

I can try the XC on a 20" 7 prc that currently has the DD Lti on it but I really want to look into getting something that would measure db or sound instead of just using my ears, otherwise its just conjecture.

While you are correct in regards to the dB, one thing that a lot of people tend to overlook is the fact that each person "hears" a bit differently so tone makes a big difference to individual shooters.
What I mean by this is that while one can may have a peak dB rating higher than another, it will also have a different frequency, which will most likely affect how an individuals ear "hears" the sound. For instance, Ti cans tend to emit a higher frequency sound than SS cans. For me, a person who has lost a good portion of my high frequency hearing in my left ear, that means that Ti cans usually sound "deader" to my ear than a SS can. However, to someone who did a better job of protecting their hearing when they were younger a SS can sounds better to them than a Ti can, even when that Ti can has a lower dB rating by 1-3dB.

TLDR; cans that are within a couple dB of each other will most likely come down to personal preference when it comes to which one sounds better to an individual.

 

[HandgunHTR]

Are the any concerns with 3d printed silencers vs traditional manufacture? I was all set on the scythe , but it is oos and I can get an Ti XC now. Just curious if there is any info on printed suppressors from a longevity standpoint.

Not really. They are relatively new on the US market, but I know that there have been quite a few of them floating around New Zealand for a while and I haven't heard any negative news on them.

For the most part, the failures that I have read about and seen are due to baffle strikes or weld failures. I know that Dead Air had a rash of bad welds on their Nomad Ti cans, which is one of the main reasons they invested in the additive manufacturing capabilities to kick off the XC line.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Are the any concerns with 3d printed silencers vs traditional manufacture?

I had wondered how they get repaired if there is an issue.

I suppose with carful measuring and surface prep they could cut off the bad portion and start printing new layers onto the old substrate perhaps?

 

[wind gypsy]

CGS has had 3d printed suppressors out for a while. I haven't heard anything about longevity issues?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

CGS has had 3d printed suppressors out for a while. I haven't heard anything about longevity issues?

I wasn't really worried about longevity versus and issue like a baffle strike or such and what options for repair due to the whole ATF drama in this country. (I mean really seems like a manufacturer should be able to destroy your current item and make a new one with the same serial number but that would be logical...).

 

[WKR]

I wasn't really worried about longevity versus and issue like a baffle strike or such and what options for repair due to the whole ATF drama in this country. (I mean really seems like a manufacturer should be able to destroy your current item and make a new one with the same serial number but that would be logical...).

Yeah I understand what you are getting at, and I'm not sure there would be a way to fix a 3d printed can that had a baffle strike or some other type of internal failure. I dont think you can print on top of an existing portion of the can but im not really current on additive manufacturing so I could be wrong.

Its an interesting question that should be asked to one of the manufacturers that make 3d cans. No one plans on having a baffle strike but It would suck for a consumer if the only solution was a new serialized can with another stamp and form 4 process.

 

[wesfromky]

Yeah I understand what you are getting at, and I'm not sure there would be a way to fix a 3d printed can that had a baffle strike or some other type of internal failure. I dont think you can print on top of an existing portion of the can but im not really current on additive manufacturing so I could be wrong.

Its an interesting question that should be asked to one of the manufacturers that make 3d cans. No one plans on having a baffle strike but It would suck for a consumer if the only solution was a new serialized can with another stamp and form 4 process.

OCL is coming out with a 3D can, and they did some design tweaks to make it possible to cut the 3d printed section off and weld in a new section for this reason.

 

[WKR]

I had wondered how they get repaired if there is an issue.

I suppose with carful measuring and surface prep they could cut off the bad portion and start printing new layers onto the old substrate perhaps?

Disregard my previous post, looks you were correct based on this FAQ on silencerco.com

CAN 3D PRINTED SILENCERS BE REPAIRED?

Yes, 3D-printed suppressors can be repaired by cutting off the damaged section and then welding a new section back to the base. While failures are extremely unlikely on these models, they can be fixed if needed.


Also they claim front cap and baffle strikes are less likely with the improvements in manufacturing

 

[HighUintas]

Why isn't there a titanium end cap and direct thread mount for the nomad? I would think that would knock a good bit of weight off that 9.4oz....

 

[BBob]

direct thread mount for the nomad

Mounting options​

The Nomad Ti XC is available with the Xeno adapter or direct thread, but the modularity of the HUB socket allows for adapters to easily be swapped out with our HUB Adapters. This includes Xeno, KeyMo, and direct thread.

Ships with either a 5/8-24 direct thread adapter or Xeno adapter and brake.

Ti direct thread adapter:

Titanium 1.375-24 Bravo (HUB) Direct Thread Mounts

www.eccomachine.net

 

[B23]

I'll know when I get my LTi but I'm assuming the direct thread adapter is steel not titanium since it adds 2.2 oz to the overall weight. Not sure if it is a cost thing or maybe they just can't use titanium for that particular part but if it were made of Ti I would think that'd bring the direct thread adapter down to around .6 - .7 oz and the overall weight to 8 ounces which would be pretty damn light for a can this quiet.

 

[wesfromky]

Ti direct thread - https://ottercreeklabs.com/product/zr0-dta/ Out of stock a lot of places though.

 

[B23]

FWIW, I ordered a direct thread 5/8x24 DA part # LT302 mount for my Nomad LTi XC earlier this week and got it yesterday. Screwed the Xeno adapter off and the direct thread adapter on and put it on my dig. scale the LTi XC weighs 11.6 oz with the direct thread mount which is a few ounces lighter then it was with the Xeno + Omni brake and I guess it's supposed to be slightly quieter with a direct thread.

Played around with it on my 300blk AR pistol in my shop and swapping back and forth between the new Nomad my SAS 338 Vengeance, and Banish 30 (in its full length) the Banish 30 isn't even close so didn't bother with that one after a couple shots and to my ears, I could really tell no difference between the much bigger 338 Vengeance and LTi XC they both were holy shit that's quiet. The brass hitting the concrete floor seemed louder.