Which suppressor would you choose? Thoughts on the Nomad Ti XC?

[Q_Sertorius]

Since you're pretty sensitive to loudness check out the LPM Mach S. Supposed to be a little quieter (and a touch heavier/longer) than the Ti XC. I don't own a Ti XC so can't give you a personal opinion between the 2.

It looks to be a very close to the Scythe Ti, but may or may not be as quiet at SE as the Nomad Ti XC.

This is from comparing the sound rating for the Anthem S2 (same stack design) with the numbers for the other two.

SE dBA - 128.2
Length - 7.0”
Weight - 9.8

I hate having to look at PewScience, Summit, and manufacturer’s websites to form a sort of composite data set.

PewScience charging both the manufacturer and the consumer really irritates me.


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[Q_Sertorius]

I’d be curious to hear how the Dead Air EBrake fits into this conversation. Dead air claims it makes them a little quieter. I want to say @Formidilosus was saying brakes on cans generally makes them louder. Anyone have comparison/contrast experience with those?

I can only speak to the Scythe Ti. For the shooter, I could not tell a difference between the brake and the flat end cap as far as noise was concerned. But I thought I could feel less muzzle jump with the brake end cap. So I kept that on it.

If I was on a firing line, I would use the flat end cap.


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[wind gypsy]

I’d be curious to hear how the Dead Air EBrake fits into this conversation. Dead air claims it makes them a little quieter. I want to say @Formidilosus was saying brakes on cans generally makes them louder. Anyone have comparison/contrast experience with those?

As a generalization, end cap brakes make rifles louder at shooters ear and can make them quieter at Mil-spec left metering locations.

I have a really hard time committing to any suppressor that won’t publish dBA ratings or can volume. I don’t mind at all if they choose not to send it to PewScience (for a variety of reasons). I get that there is no real industry standard, but there are mil standards for testing that everyone could be using. I just assume - in the absence of other information - that anyone who isn’t publishing their sound suppression (the REASON to have a suppressor in the first place) just doesn’t see it as competitive with the market alternatives. All cans are compromising somewhere in some relevant factor.

All other things - length, weight, etc. - being equal, sound suppression is the purpose of a suppressor.

When I called AB, I wanted to find out more about how quiet their cans are. They won’t say anything about it. That annoys me, but there are a ton of other reports that give me some confidence they will be quiet enough to satisfy me. And, they were very forthright about exactly how much each different option added to the total weight and length. But a lot of these companies are not that clear about even those things.

I went back to my notes to look at the Hyperion K again. As far as I can tell, the Hyperion K is probably close to the OG in sound suppression. This is from comparing the SE ratings at PewScience with the SE dBA numbers from the TBAC summit for similar cans. But it is far longer. That’s why it didn’t make my list. A 132-133 dBA can has to be measurably better than the OG for me to consider it.

For one thing, it seems ratings dont seem truly apples to apples anyway. Look at TBAC silencer summit results for same cans between '23 and '24, they dont all meter the same. Then extrapolate that to different manufacturers using different testing equip in different conditions. I don't trust most manufacturers to not game their ratings like I dont trust a bow manufacturers speed rating of a bow. I wouldn't get too wound around the axle about what mfr rate their cans at for noise reduction.

 

[wind gypsy]

The only negative about the Hyperion or K to me is the way they mount. It’s not a flush HUB style or able to be changed. It also adds about half an inch to the overall length for no reason. It comes 5/8 like most all do but if your barrel can’t take 5/8 now you’re using an adapter. Fine I guess but I like to keep things simple so I swap the 5/8 HUB out on mine for the same in 1/2. That way it’s simple direct thread.

I’m not saying it’s a real problem at all. I’m not even saying my opinion is correct. Just pointing that out if you have smaller sporter barrels that aren’t large enough for 5/8 threads. We all have different things that hang us up. For some adapters and such don’t get a second thought. Some get hung up over having to cut/thread a barrel. I can run 15min down the road drop it off for a few days and $80 I have what I want. We’ve all got different things running through our minds about that perfect setup I guess? Ha.

Right or wrong, the mounting setup is the primary reason i avoided CGS.

 

[5811]

PewScience charging both the manufacturer and the consumer really irritates me.

I think he provides a ton of data in front of the paywall. Sure beats iPhone readings and indoor tin shed science. Even if you paid for the gritty test details, it wouldn't be directly comparable to other setups and you'd still be making some assumptions.

Would it be awesome if he tested the cans for free, definitely. But then you'd have manufacturers send him one iteration after another and he'd be doing free R&D. His tests and reports seem pretty in-depth and time consuming, so I don't think that's a fair ask.

If he provided every bit of his data and algorithms to consumers for free, he'd have knock offs and copy cats trying to replicate his data to game his tests and it might wreck his business model. I don't think that's a fair ask, either.

He's invested in his system and it's the best show in town, currently. I don't want to see a bunch of YouTube testers with sponsorships (paid promotions) running numbers that can say, "I did this just like pew science does" muddying the waters.

 

[Lawnboi]

Keep in mind, unless your comparing numbers derived from the same rifle, same ammo, same environment at the same time, your probably compiling skewed data.

Also keep in mind your main use your saying is 223. Example would be I have a Magnus and an ultra 7 option for my 223. I don’t see the the Magnus being significant enough on the end of the 223 and choose to use the ultra 7 on that rifle 100% of the time.

Unfortunately there is no can with supersonic cartridges that is truly hearing safe for hundreds of rounds

 

[Samson7x]

It looks to be a very close to the Scythe Ti, but may or may not be as quiet at SE as the Nomad Ti XC.

This is from comparing the sound rating for the Anthem S2 (same stack design) with the numbers for the other two.

SE dBA - 128.2
Length - 7.0”
Weight - 9.8

I hate having to look at PewScience, Summit, and manufacturer’s websites to form a sort of composite data set.

PewScience charging both the manufacturer and the consumer really irritates me.


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Yeah, there was quite a bit of controversy regarding Pew on arfcom at one point. I don't follow it anymore so can't comment on recent events. I'd take his data, and most data for that matter, with a large grain of salt. I trust the summit data the most. They don't charge money, any manufacturer can show up, testing is done with the same firearms, same ammo, same day, same atmospherics, with very expensive and accurate equipment.

Regardless, a dB or 2 here or there isn't noticeable in a hunting scenario anyway.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Regardless, a dB or 2 here or there isn't noticeable in a hunting scenario anyway.

Absolutely. I don’t even try to rank anything closer than 2 dBA.


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[greyghostnw]

I’d be curious to hear how the Dead Air EBrake fits into this conversation. Dead air claims it makes them a little quieter. I want to say @Formidilosus was saying brakes on cans generally makes them louder. Anyone have comparison/contrast experience with those?

I run E brake on a ti xc and lti xc on both its a sharper crack. Less push as well.

 

[Kaleb]

We all have different ears but I just shot a few rounds through the OG on a 17-18” 223. I’m not complaining about it because it was not advertised to be the most quiet. It was said a million times that the tone was better and it was almost always preferred over xyz makes and models. To my ears I prefer the sound of all my other cans be it a pop ting doomp however you want to describe it. It is 2” shorter than my others though. I do not regret the purchase but I don’t think I’ll be a repeat buyer for that model. I’ll either deal with 2 more inches or cut 2 more inches off the barrel. Again not dumping on it and knew going in it wasn’t designed to be more quiet. I just was banking on all the tone talk kinda off setting the overall noise. I’m not saying I feel misled maybe my ears are different is all.

Two shots were without ear pro. Everyone has different opinions on that too but I do not wear it hunting. 3-5 shots with my other suppressors do not bother me in the least. I’m not saying the OG does bother me but it is noticeably louder to my ears. It will be fine I’ll put it on a rifle and leave it. It’s something new/different and I tried it. Like Q the next one will be something else. Most likely the dead air since I like the older model.

 

[Bluefish]

I have been searching for a "final" suppressor to try out on one of my rifles. The primary rifle on which I intend to use it is probably a mini-RSS in .223 with 16" barrel. Use case will be still hunting, plinking, and target practice.

After reading a lot of Form's comments, I agree with his advice to not get a dedicated .224 or similarly small can. It makes more sense to me to get a .30 caliber can that I can swap around to other rifles as needed. For instance, I have a .270 getting cut to 21" and a 6.5 CM getting cut to 20" right now. I don't plan to have a dedicated suppressor for every rifle, but my Scythe is likely staying on my CZ forever.

This is the little table I built to help me make my decision. I pulled numbers from the manufacturer's websites and compared with the 2024 Summit results for validation.
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I already backordered a Raptor 8 w/ 3" reflex. I already own a Scythe Ti and the OG. I would be open to getting a second Raptor 8 or OG. I will not buy another Scythe Ti. I have sort of mentally excluded the TBAC Ultra 7 and Enticer LTI because I cannot figure out why I would get one them over the Raptor 8, OG, or Nomad. The Raptor 10 just seems too big and heavy for a hunting can.

I am not dead set on having another suppressor, but the Nomad really intrigues me. That is the one in which I am most interested in getting experience and feedback. I have read that Dead Air had some durability issues in the past, but I haven't seen anything more recent. Is it as good a can as the numbers seem to indicate?

I would also like to hear thoughts on using the OG or OG L as a .224 can. I have a fat-barreled .22-250 that could really use a reflex suppressor if I chose to thread it.

Finally, are there any great options I have excluded?

Thank you.

The Raptor 10 is about 11 oz without the reflex and seems pretty quiet. From the testing I found it was equal or better than a r8 with reflex. So unless you are running your 8 as DT, the 10 will be lighter and quieter. With that said, I wish one of my 10’s was an 8 to add some flexibility. Ie run an 8 DT for hunting and then the 8 or 10 with reflex at the range.

 

[justin davis]

I have a few different suppressors. My favorite are the thunderbeast. Light and very accurate

 

[Bluefish]

I would rather get a .30 caliber can and maybe switch the end cap later on than get a dedicated 5.56 can. I don’t think it makes enough difference in noise reduction.

Does anyone have any SE dBA measurements for the AB A-10? AB won’t publish any data on this and none of the sites i have found so far list it.


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As a guess, it’s one less baffle than the 8, so maybe 3 db more. I run one on an ar and it’s pretty good. A hell of a can for under 500.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

The primary rifle on which I intend to use it is probably a mini-RSS in .223 with 16" barrel.

I agree with his advice to not get a dedicated .224 or similarly small can. It makes more sense to me to get a .30 caliber can that I can swap around to other rifles as needed

Listen, you’re not a Poor who can only afford one can, as shown already by your arsenal of them. Swapping cans and dealing with POI changes between them gets old really fast.

I’d say this, buy something like the Diligent Defense Wolfhunter 6mm. On my 18” 223, it’s very quiet, while still being fairly light, all titanium etc. Between it and the Scythe I also use, it’s definitely the quieter suppressor.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Listen, you’re not a Poor who can only afford one can, as shown already by your arsenal of them. Swapping cans and dealing with POI changes between them gets old really fast.

I’d say this, buy something like the Diligent Defense Wolfhunter 6mm. On my 18” 223, it’s very quiet, while still being fairly light, all titanium etc. Between it and the Scythe I also use, it’s definitely the quieter suppressor.

I don’t mean any offense, but the Wolfhunter is longer and heavier than a Scythe or Nomad. I don’t see a SE dBA suppression number for it any where. Why would I get that instead of a Scythe Ti or Nomad Ti XC?

Even if I can afford multiple suppressors (we are still looking at $1000-$1500 for most suppressors when factoring in all the fees abd costs) and even if they will probably end up married to a particular rifle, why would I get a more limited suppressor if there is no objective sound suppression justification for it?

It might be different if i could legally hunt deer with the .223, but this is going on a practice rifle. Having a can that I can take off and use on another hunting rifle during the season is potentially useful.

This is the part I hate about this shopping process.


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[B_Reynolds_AK]

I don’t mean any offense, but the Wolfhunter is longer and heavier than a Scythe or Nomad. I don’t see a SE dBA suppression number for it any where. Why would I get that instead of a Scythe Ti or Nomad Ti XC?

Even if I can afford multiple suppressors (we are still looking at $1000-$1500 for most suppressors when factoring in all the fees abd costs) and even if they will probably end up married to a particular rifle, why would I get a more limited suppressor if there is no objective sound suppression justification for it?

It might be different if i could legally hunt deer with the .223, but this is going on a practice rifle. Having a can that I can take off and use on another hunting rifle during the season is potentially useful.

This is the part I hate about this shopping process.


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Why would I get that instead of a Scythe Ti or Nomad Ti XC?

this is going on a practice rifle.

Because it’s quieter and the weight difference is negligible. Plus, your opinion may vary, there’s literally nothing in North America you cannot hunt with a 6 mm cartridge.

 

[Tahoe1305]

Because it’s quieter and the weight difference is negligible. Plus, your opinion may vary, there’s literally nothing in North America you cannot hunt with a 6 mm cartridge.

Yeah but he doesn’t advertise owning a 6mm cartridge and most places you can’t hunt with a .223 which he states he would use it on.

I agree the wolfhunter is pretty sweet. I love my STi and have heard the wolfhunter is quieter.

I recently bought a TI XC over the wolfhunter but only because I was able to get it cheaper. I don’t have a 6mm can and would like one.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Because it’s quieter and the weight difference is negligible. Plus, your opinion may vary, there’s literally nothing in North America you cannot hunt with a 6 mm cartridge.

I agree that 6mm is awesome, but I don’t own one that can be suppressed (I have a beautiful Sako .243 from the 1960s that has taken one deer and is likely to be a safe queen or maybe a “twilight hayfield hunter” for a long time).

Again, “quieter” is subjective. Numbers are objective. If they want to sell me a Wolfhunter, they will need to publish a SE dBA rating or can volume or somehow otherwise provide an objective test.

There are also reports on RokSlide that the cold bore shots with DD cans might be off from the rest of the group.


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[Nine Banger]

When I called AB, I wanted to find out more about how quiet their cans are. They won’t say anything about it. That annoys me, but there are a ton of other reports that give me some confidence they will be quiet enough to satisfy me. And, they were very forthright about exactly how much each different option added to the total weight and length. But a lot of these companies are not that clear about even those things.

@SloppyJ and I shot at least 1500 rounds right next to each other with a Raptor 8 and a Raptor 10 with 3" reflexes. They are quiet as hell. Your weight on your chart is accurate tho unfortunately.

After hearing the OG a couple thousand times I am interested in getting a Raptor 6 with a 5" reflex.

But I wouldn't start there; that's just me playing around. I'd get the 8 w/ the 3" reflex. I toted it around for a couple miles moose hunting and all week at Shoot2Hunt. You get used to it.

 

[kswaterfowl]

Because it’s quieter and the weight difference is negligible. Plus, your opinion may vary, there’s literally nothing in North America you cannot hunt with a 6 mm cartridge.

He is right
That wolf hunter is an impressive can. And 6mm is king. Its a win, win.