Corner Crossing (is any hunter against it?)

[TC406]

If the corner isn't pinned, and you're within a few feet of a corner, it would be impossible to "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" that you trespassed.

At least in Montana, if you are on a cornered off piece of public land, than it is assumed that you crossed the corner, thereby trespassing, and you will be issued a citation and any game harvested confiscated.

 

[204guy]

Still haven't seen an argument against that isn't a ridiculous red herring or greed based.

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[BeaverHunter]

At least in Montana, if you are on a cornered off piece of public land, than it is assumed that you crossed the corner, thereby trespassing, and you will be issued a citation and any game harvested confiscated.

What about if you took a helicopter in? Would it be assumed that you trespassed? I think you’re assuming that. I get what you’re saying but I don’t think fish and game and law enforcement go around issuing citations and taking people’s property based on assumptions. I think they do it after talking to the witnesses and the accused and gathering facts. Then deciding to issue citations or not.

 

[PAbow84]

Still haven't seen an argument against that isn't a ridiculous red herring or greed based.

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and I don't believe you ever will see one....

 

[TC406]

What about if you took a helicopter in? Would it be assumed that you trespassed? I think you’re assuming that. I get what you’re saying but I don’t think fish and game and law enforcement go around issuing citations and taking people’s property based on assumptions. I think they do it after talking to the witnesses and the accused and gathering facts. Then deciding to issue citations or not.

Yes I should have prefaced with, "if the landowner calls FWP on you, and you are on a cornered off piece of public land, and haven't had a helicopter drop you off" than they will assume you have crossed corner to corner and issue you a trespassing citation, and confiscate and game you have harvested. Lots of the pieces that are checkerboarded are smaller around here anyhow, which would make taking large game on them difficult. The places Randy Newberg flies into are much larger parcels that are "islanded" rather than checkerboarded.

 

[Rmauch20]

At least in Montana, if you are on a cornered off piece of public land, than it is assumed that you crossed the corner, thereby trespassing, and you will be issued a citation and any game harvested confiscated.

I truly doubt any farmer and rancher could truly tell you where the corner of the property is. Most here in Kansas go off fence posts that were probably set 50 years ago. So God only knows what is the true corner of most properties.

In the town I work we had a neighbor dispute over property lines. They finally had it surveyed and the property owner that was mad as hell about people encroaching on his ground discovered he was about 8 feet over on what his true property line was.
Needless to say there was the skid steer and chainsaws out the next day cutting down trees and tearing up flowerbeds. It was pretty damn funny.

I think if a guy wanted to fight it he would have pretty good case. the landowner would almost certainly have to have the ground surveyed to prove you were in fact trespassing. I highly doubt they would be able to use a fence post or the spot someone told them was the corner of the property as evidence. The state can’t assume that you were in the wrong and find you guilty.

 

[LaHunter]

That corner crap is theft of access. It allows land owners to double their holdings without spending the money. When you buy land you would not buy a checker board pattern for any other reason than this. It is B.S. and should be illegal.




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So you are saying that 'buying land that is in a checkerboard pattern should be illegal'? Does that sound a bit socialist or is it just me? If someone has the financial ability, and the piece of land is for sale, why should they not be able to buy it? Should the gov't confiscate the private land that is checkerboarded with public land???

 

[DenverCountryBoy]

Actually no... if you took a downward facing camera view you would see, from a legal perspective that your body is crossing into the neighboring space. Your foot physically touching the square has nothing to do with it.

Is this all really dumb, yes. Would it be silly and petty for someone to be charged with trespassing for corner crossing, yes. It is however based on most interpretations of private property and property boundaries trespassing. As Kevin pointed out. It just needs to be legally clarified, what is and what is not possible. Certainly easement, land swap and access programs could be possible. It just takes a willing and funded party to put the effort into it.


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I'm not usually a fan of eminent domain as most of the time it is abused, but it seems to me that using it to create access at corners to land locked public land for the benefit of the public would be a good and proper use.

 

[2Stamp]

Coner crossing always leads to futher tresspassing.

That's a pretty broad stroked statement.

 

[Jebuwh]

I can finally tell everybody the secret project I have been working on in partnership with Rokslide.

Rokslide will be shortly be releasing a Backcountry Pole Vault kit. Allows you to vault across any wall/fence/barrier blocking you from corner hopping, and not touching any private land as you fly through the air. We also will be partnering with Juan to offer packages with tresspass insurance. It will come in all your favorite camo patterns for ultimate gear matching.

 

[wapitibob]

5 pages of corner crossing discussion and per usual, many just posting to post.


It took all of 2 minutes to get the corner crossing facts from the Wyoming Chief game warden last year. Rather than posting what you read or think you know, I suggest a call to the appropriate authorities.

 

[Jebuwh]

5 pages of corner crossing discussion and per usual, many just posting to post.


It took all of 2 minutes to get the corner crossing facts from the Wyoming Chief game warden last year. Rather than posting what you read or think you know, I suggest a call to the appropriate authorities.

Why don't you post and share what you learned?

 

[Billinsd]

Still haven't seen an argument against that isn't a ridiculous red herring or greed based.

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I came up with the only argument I can think of. That is, some that cross over intersecting points of public land could veer off onto private land on purpose or by accident. It's not a strong argument, though.

 

[TC406]

I truly doubt any farmer and rancher could truly tell you where the corner of the property is. Most here in Kansas go off fence posts that were probably set 50 years ago. So God only knows what is the true corner of most properties.

Most of the sections I am thinking of surrounded by one ranch or property owner. So if you crossed corners you would appear to be "inside" their property. There are some sections that are corner-to-corner-to-corner-to-corner squares of BLM or state land, all within one ranch.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I’m big property rights guy land or abode, I think corner crossing should be legal if it’s a true corner(not a fence of convince) and doesn’t weaken the laws against people shooting over someone fences/ property line.

 

[rob86jeep]

As a former land owner, I had lots of issues with hunters, enough that I ultimately sold the land rather than continue to deal with those who were willfully breaking the law. They lived next to the local LEO, probably relatives. Anyway, he could never catch em - go figure.

So far - corner crossing is illegal. If you willfully break the law, you should be fined and have your license revoked. So, yeah, I support following the rules & laws.

If you think that cause no-one knows it isn't bad or wrong. You just failed the basic test for morality - what you do when no-one is looking.

Someone mentioned "podcast" - is this some other thing where the podcast "expert" leads his sheep to get up in arms and all excited over the law of the land. If it is - follow someone a little less inflammatory and you won't feel like you've been robbed of land you "should have access to". The rules have been like this for a long, long time. It is nothing new.

You could always form a group and dedicate your life to trying to get the laws changed. Might be a fun way to meet like-minded folks who actually care about doing something other than internet debates.

As far as corner crossing being illegal, that's one of the big issues. In a lot of states it's not specifically mentioned in the laws whether it's illegal or legal.

As for mentioning a podcast, that was me. I just didn't want to take credit for a good idea that wasn't mine. The podcast didn't say it was legal and to do it, it mentioned having a non hunter test the law as any hunter caught would likely be held to a different standard.

I agree that trespassing is bad. The problem is nobody (and I said nobody) would call the police if someone stepped over a corner of their residential or rural property if it didn't damage anything or have them even step foot on their property. But, someone that owns land which landlocked private land, holds people to a different standard. This shows it has nothing to due with private property rights but only means to prevent access to public property.

 

[100percent]

What about this quandary? I am a private land owner and have dealt with every issue imaginable in dealing with trespassing. Certain people forget the law and everything their parents ever taught them when a big buck or ducks are concerned. It must be primal? I don't have a set opinion on this (yet) but, think about this.. i want to feel corner jumping would be ok but, there are other concerns that give me pause. I keep coming back to a situation where a home, barn or get-away is on a private section within a reasonable distance to public section corners, you bought this property for the wide open spaces, the quiet, etc... or maybe it's been like that for 100 years, all of a sudden corner jumping is legalized and several hundred people access the far section through my/our property and ruin the peace and privacy that I once enjoyed. I invested my life savings and untold sweat equity for this opportunity. Overnight, my paradise is compromised and value tanked. My question is how would you repay this loss and what does it do for land value in these situations, which property taxes are based on? What is the gain for joe public? Does he win individually while the group loses or vice versa?
Read clearly, this theoretical in my situation but, very real in many instances across the west.

 

[Milestone522]

I can finally tell everybody the secret project I have been working on in partnership with Rokslide.

Rokslide will be shortly be releasing a Backcountry Pole Vault kit. Allows you to vault across any wall/fence/barrier blocking you from corner hopping, and not touching any private land as you fly through the air. We also will be partnering with Juan to offer packages with tresspass insurance. It will come in all your favorite camo patterns for ultimate gear matching.

I am holding out for the much anticipated Rokslide Trebuchet catapult model 2020. Rumor is it comes with two packable devices so you can catshot yourself in and out of any public section. "Keep your feet and knees together and put those knees in the breeze"

 

[Oregon]

Let’s all take a deep breath and truly think about this corner crossing debacle.

If anyone could possibly be offended by stepping over an imaginary line connecting 4 properties you probably have a little penis. Seriously, how wide is this boundary. A foot? 6”, inch?
There is absolutely no reason this is an issue except the private land folks truly aren’t concerned about their 6” of horrific, absolute feeling of invasion of privacy. That 6” boundary is important I tell ya!!!!
It’s the fact their private property is basically doubled. Fact. No if’s ands or but’s.
Pure BS.

 

[Oregon]

What about this quandary? I am a private land owner and have dealt with every issue imaginable in dealing with trespassing. People forget the law and everything their parents ever taught them when a big buck or ducks are concerned. It must be primal? I don't have a set opinion on this (yet) but, think about this.. i want to feel corner jumping would be ok but, there are other concerns that give me pause. I keep coming back to a situation where a home, barn or get-away is on a private section within a reasonable distance to public section corners, you bought this property for the wide open spaces, the quiet, etc... or maybe it's been like that for 100 years, all of a sudden corner jumping is legalized and several hundred people access the far section through my/our property and ruin the peace and privacy that I once enjoyed. I invested my life savings and sweat equity for this opportunity. Overnight, my paradise is compromised and value tanked. My question is how would you repay this loss and what does it do for land value in these situations, which property taxes are based on? What is the gain for joe public? Does he win individually while the group loses or vice cereal?
Read clearly, this theoretical in my situation but, very real in many instances across the west.

Seriously dude?? A corner is just that. A corner. How wide is corner. One inch? One foot? If no one is on your property????
Seriously. A corner. I could step public land to public land. How does that hinder your paradise???

Don’t answer, I already know.