CO gun storage in vehicle going forward

[svivian]

I believe it needs to be a "jeep trail" (not a road) or OHV use area for a plated motor vehicle to be allowed and require a sticker. I don't think forest roads / BLM roads require a sticker for a plated motor vehicle.

The OHV distinction that was mentioned earlier doesn't start when you leave a "highway" that is ridiculous.

You are correct, which is why its important to know what trail/road is designated as. I see all kinds of trucks down OHV only trails that are clearly marked. Never seen a sticker though.

OHV roads/trails are paid for and maintained by the BLM or Forrest service. Fees paid by vehicle registration does not go towards those costs. OHV permits are supposed to supplement the cost.

Never said it was enforced. Just pointing out that @cnelk was correct per CPW.

 

[svivian]

But a point of clarification is I don't believe all BLM and forest service roads are "jeep trails" requiring a plated motor vehicle to have a sticker.

I just deleted and edited my reply but wasnt quick enough

edit: for further clarification in regards to @5MilesBack we dont know what trail/road he turned off the highway onto. Could have very well have been marked OHV only. Again its important to pay attention to signage.

 

[cnelk]

The law states you cant leave a unlocked gun in an UNATTENDED VEHICLE - with exceptions

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

The law states you cant leave a unlocked gun in an UNATTENDED VEHICLE - with exceptions

Correct and I put the wording in the first post that applies to hunting, which I personally found to be vague and hence started this post.

"A PERSON WHO HOLDS A VALID RESIDENT OR OUT-OF-STATEHUNTING LICENSE WHO IS ENGAGED IN LAWFUL HUNTING ACTIVITIES"

At what point does your "hunting" start/stop? Leaving your house, leaving the game unit, season dates? If you stop for gas on the way to a hunt the day before the season and are outside of your unit are you "hunting" or are you a criminal if you have an unlocked gun case in your locked vehicle and go inside to use the bathroom?

 

[ElDiablito]

Bottom line is that unless a LEO has probable cause (or consent) to search your vehicle - no one is going to know that you do or don’t have a firearm in your vehicle or how it may be stored if it’s out of sight.

(No, I’m not encouraging anyone to violate the new law.)

 

[svivian]

Bottom line is that unless a LEO has probable cause (or consent) to search your vehicle - no one is going to know that you do or don’t have a firearm in your vehicle or how it may be stored if it’s out of sight.

(No, I’m not encouraging anyone to violate the new law.)

I agree, i think where this law is going to apply is for those either already suspected for other crimes. Or screwing over gun owners who have their cars stolen since its become such a common issue anymore in the Denver area.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

What is an OHV road? I don't get it.

Where I hunt quail, rabbit and dove just east of the Colorado river in AZ. the main dirt road running next to the River is considered a county road, by law off road vehicles are not supposed to travel on it. There are lots of dirt roads off that dirt road which off roaders are allowed to use. Most people ignore that law. The same thing applies in Ca. I was ticketed for driving my quad on a dirt county road.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I agree, i think where this law is going to apply is for those either already suspected for other crimes. Or screwing over gun owners who have their cars stolen since its become such a common issue anymore in the Denver area.

Yep, don't punish gun theft, don't punish car theft, blame the victims...


Current law:
"The penalty for stealing a firearm in Colorado depends on how valuable the weapon is. Stealing a gun that’s worth less than $300 is a petty offense, punishable by up to 10 days in jail. Gun theft becomes a felony, and carries the possibility of prison, only when the weapon stolen is worth more than $2,000. "

Its a petty offense to steal something we have to jump through hoops for....

But our "leaders" in the gov don't see how a felony and real jail time might be a deterrent vs petty theft of guns. How detached with reality can you be?

“For me, just philosophically, it is hard for me to vote for any law that increases a criminal penalty without evidence that there’s a direct link to a deterrent effect — without evidence that we will see a decrease in people who are stealing firearms,” Rep. Javier Mabrey, a Denver Democrat on the committee, said during the bill’s first hearing.

Mabrey added that “of course I want fewer instances of people stealing firearms,” but he said stealing a gun would still be illegal whether or not the bill became law.

“There is nothing in this bill nor in the fiscal note … that says this increased penalty will have any impact on the number of guns on the streets or that it will reduce the amount of people that possess stolen firearms,” said Rep. Leslie Herod, a Denver Democrat on the committee.

She and others raised concerns about the financial cost of the bill and feared the measure would disproportionately affect Black and brown men.

 

[Bluefish]

So would that also apply to a pickup? I had always thought any vehicle licensed for street use was exempt from OHV permits, such as a street legal dual sport dirt bike.

That used to be the case. 5-10 years ago. Then they decided that if you are on a ohv trail you need an ohv sticker. More money to the state.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Yep, don't punish gun theft, don't punish car theft, blame the victims...


Current law:
"The penalty for stealing a firearm in Colorado depends on how valuable the weapon is. Stealing a gun that’s worth less than $300 is a petty offense, punishable by up to 10 days in jail. Gun theft becomes a felony, and carries the possibility of prison, only when the weapon stolen is worth more than $2,000. "

Its a petty offense to steal something we have to jump through hoops for....

But our "leaders" in the gov don't see how a felony and real jail time might be a deterrent vs petty theft of guns. How detached with reality can you be?

That quote at the bottom really hurts my brain. So many questions…

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

That quote at the bottom really hurts my brain. So many questions…

Yup. Pair those words with their actions and it seems clear they prioritize incremental erosion of legal gun ownership over actually combating illegal gun crimes. One could question if they hope for more crime to justify their true motives…

 

[Ucsdryder]

Yup. Pair those words with their actions and it seems clear they prioritize incremental erosion of legal gun ownership over actually combating illegal gun crimes. One could question if they hope for more crime to justify their true motives…

As long as it’s not black or brown!

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

As long as it’s not black or brown!

Their words implied they think the source of the crime would be. THEIR words not ours.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Their words implied they think the source of the crime would be. THEIR words not ours.

Yes for sure. I thought that comment was incredibly inappropriate.

 

[sndmn11]

If you guys genuinely have questions about the new law, rather than complaints, email Tyler Brown. He was involved in the back and forth between different stakeholders and CO's legislators.

[email protected]

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

If you guys genuinely have questions about the new law, rather than complaints, email Tyler Brown. He was involved in the back and forth between different stakeholders and CO's legislators.

[email protected]

I do genuinely want to know what counts as hunting in terms of the extents of the activities and timeline vs exemption. Also the requirement of “locked”, since zip ties count in some circumstances to “lock” a case during transport. I can follow up with him.

 

[sndmn11]

I do genuinely want to know what counts as hunting in terms of the extents of the activities and timeline vs exemption. Also the requirement of “locked”, since zip ties count in some circumstances to “lock” a case during transport. I can follow up with him.

Text me before you do, if you do.

If I still was in LE, I'd say in season, in your unit, doing something directly related to hunting. Gassing up = probably not
In camp = sure

I haven't read through the law yet, just based on what you have quoted above.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Correct and I put the wording in the first post that applies to hunting, which I personally found to be vague and hence started this post.

"A PERSON WHO HOLDS A VALID RESIDENT OR OUT-OF-STATEHUNTING LICENSE WHO IS ENGAGED IN LAWFUL HUNTING ACTIVITIES"

At what point does your "hunting" start/stop? Leaving your house, leaving the game unit, season dates? If you stop for gas on the way to a hunt the day before the season and are outside of your unit are you "hunting" or are you a criminal if you have an unlocked gun case in your locked vehicle and go inside to use the bathroom?

Coyote season is year round… just saying

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Text me before you do, if you do.

If I still was in LE, I'd say in season, in your unit, doing something directly related to hunting. Gassing up = probably not
In camp = sure

I haven't read through the law yet, just based on what you have quoted above.

I linked the extent of the bill (minimal) in the first post.

From your background do they produce guidance on how enforcement should interpret such vague language?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Coyote season is year round… just saying

Right but does the gas station or store in town during the hunt count as part of the hunting?