It is once again time for a new vehicles are garbage thread.

[z987k]

Its high 20s and the def heater is not functioning. The def heater needs replaced or maybe wiring i would think. If it gets into the teens and the def tank and lines freeze, serious issues will arise. We have been unable to get the 175 mile to safe mode to go off today. So we maybe driving alllll the way back home at 60 mph or less. We have a call in to a chevy diesel mechanic buddy so maybe he can help. But again, modern truck problems drastically alters multiple days of a hunt.

The DEF freezes all the time. It's not like it sits there for a week with the heater on. The heater is just so it actually functions after driving for awhile and the def tank has a chance to thaw. There is no damage to anything for the DEF to be frozen, and continue to be frozen. You'll just have more NOx in your emissions.
1) if you live in an area you can, delete.
2)Get a code reader than you can reset any code. And keep resetting it until you get home. This is mandatory with any modern diesel. The EPA would rather you die in the cold than you be able to drive a perfectly functioning vehicle home.

 

[StuckInTheEast]

The DEF freezes all the time. It's not like it sits there for a week with the heater on. The heater is just so it actually functions after driving for awhile and the def tank has a chance to thaw. There is no damage to anything for the DEF to be frozen, and continue to be frozen. You'll just have more NOx in your emissions.
1) if you live in an area you can, delete.
2)Get a code reader than you can reset any code. And keep resetting it until you get home. This is mandatory with any modern diesel. The EPA would rather you die in the cold than you be able to drive a perfectly functioning vehicle home.

The code reader trick is a toss up. Many emmissions related codes that put the truck into reduced speed or idle only mode require on-board tests to be performed and pass before they will allow the limiting condition to be cleared and you'll still be dead in water until its diagnosed, fixed and the proper prove out test is run.
Making all that crap fall off is the best answer, but thats not a cheap proposition these days either.
The fact that the EPA can Mandate a vehicle shut it self down because of a failure in an emmissions control system, that they also mandated is such massive government overreach. Unfortunately I think reversal of such overreach will take an act of congress and lord knows thats got a snow balls chance in hell at best.
But who knows. Removing supressors from the NFA list and repealing ridiculous emissions standards that have made vehicle so much more expensive and less reliable are certainly things I think at least a small majority if Americans would be all for. Maybe some folks in DC will actually bring that stuff to the table with valid effort and planning behind it. I wont be holding my breath.

Cant wait to see how these new Gas Particulate filters pan out and what kind of nonsense problems they create.

 

[z987k]

The code reader trick is a toss up. Many emmissions related codes that put the truck into reduced speed or idle only mode require on-board tests to be performed and pass before they will allow the limiting condition to be cleared and you'll still be dead in water until its diagnosed, fixed and the proper prove out test is run.
Making all that crap fall off is the best answer, but thats not a cheap proposition these days either.
The fact that the EPA can Mandate a vehicle shut it self down because of a failure in an emmissions control system, that they also mandated is such massive government overreach. Unfortunately I think reversal of such overreach will take an act of congress and lord knows thats got a snow balls chance in hell at best.
But who knows. Removing supressors from the NFA list and repealing ridiculous emissions standards that have made vehicle so much more expensive and less reliable are certainly things I think at least a small majority if Americans would be all for. Maybe some folks in DC will actually bring that stuff to the table with valid effort and planning behind it. I wont be holding my breath.

Cant wait to see how these new Gas Particulate filters pan out and what kind of nonsense problems they create.

My Banks will clear them and then it comes up and I clear it again and it comes up and I clear it. Can also do the stationary regen if needed. Not something you'd want to drive around with, but it'd keep me from freezing to death like the EPA wants. Honestly we should be charging them with attempted murder every time this happens.

Funny you should mention the EPA mandate..... Trump just said, and his EPA head also talked about rolling back DEF altogether. Especially on farm equipment.

 

[StuckInTheEast]

My Banks will clear them and then it comes up and I clear it again and it comes up and I clear it. Can also do the stationary regen if needed. Not something you'd want to drive around with, but it'd keep me from freezing to death like the EPA wants. Honestly we should be charging them with attempted murder every time this happens.

Funny you should mention the EPA mandate..... Trump just said, and his EPA head also talked about rolling back DEF altogether. Especially on farm equipment.

Its a crap shoot on what the EPA is gonna do.
The way I understand it the CAA (clean air act)gave the EPA the authority to set emmissions standards and make enforceable rules regarding them. The EPA CAN change those rules should they choose, but that ball is in the hands of whoever is in charge with the current administration at the time. For the next 3 years things may very well get laxed or backtracked a fair bit.

HOWEVER, dont expect any changes from manufacturerers or even the aftermarket in regard to eliminating emmissions equipment because without an act of congress to rein in the EPAs rule making and enforcement powers or limit/repeal specific EPA authority/previously made rules everything could get flipped right back to where we are now or worse with a changing of the party in power next election cycle...and no manufacturer is gonna revert course within 3 years with that uncertainty.

The other issue is that alot of these changes on the gasoline powered side that have killed reliability have to do with fuel economy standards. Those are set by the Dept of transportation in conjunction with the EPA...ive not had enough boredom in my life to go down that rabbit hole yet to figure how that all works and how their authority can be reined in.

As much as Trump thinks he can just speak, waive his pen and make things so...he has far less authority than he thinks in the long term. He can push alot of short term changes with appointments to various department leadership roles or through executive orders, but without getting congress to support and act on the changes he's trying to make with these people he puts in charge, it just puts us all in limbo. All these changes through appointments can whiplash back the other way as soon as he's not in charge unless congress puts laws on the books to solidify and support them.

Long of it short, dont expect any lasting changes to emmissions equipment/standards anytime soon unless congress gets involved and takes away authority from the EPA/DOT