It is once again time for a new vehicles are garbage thread.

[CJ19]

I have to wonder if there are any actual numbers to back up that new vehicles are less reliable. When a new car fails its surely more costly and more of a PIA to get fixed but do they fail more often? Between my vehicles and my wifes I can only think of 2 instances of having to leave the vehicle at the shop in over 10 years. And neither was a breakdown, just had to get something fixed/replaced that was slowly failing.

Would be interesting to have the actual numbers w no bias. In the case of the truck issue we had yesterday, it was the DEF heater meaning it was 100% one of the modern "improvements" to save the planet.

 

[MuleyFever]

Would be interesting to have the actual numbers w no bias. In the case of the truck issue we had yesterday, it was the DEF heater meaning it was 100% one of the modern "improvements" to save the planet.

DEF systems are annoying.

Everything I hear says that by removing the emissions crap you get way better fuel mileage. So is burning more fuel with all the emissions garbage actually better? Appears to me it would be about a wash but maybe I am wrong. Not something I know a lot about.

 

[eddielasvegas]

Exactly why I drive a 25 year old 4Runner. I have zero interest (even at zero interest ) in a new car for the reason you posted, all the nannies on them, insane prices and you name it.

Luckily, I'm old so I prolly won't be driving more than 15-ish years and I plan on it being in my T4R.

Good luck getting back to your hunt ASAP.


Eddie