7prc just slayed the 6.8 Western

[Gila]

I don’t know why you are comparing a 270 to a 7mm. Apples and oranges.

I have always been a 270 fan. When I was a kid there were usually 2 guns at the local hardware store. A 30-06 and a 270. The 6.8 Western is one of the best cartridges ever devised for Western style hunting. If Jack O’Connor was alive he would be dancin a jig with a swig. Everyone can shoot it, very versatile and It is very accurate at long range. If you are going to get a 7 PRC, the only way to get the most of it, is to handload. But then we have the 7 SAUM and 284 win for handloaders. The 284 win has been around for 60 years and only recently has been widely adopted as one of the best 7mm cartridges ever. Unless Hornady has some magic fairy dust, the 284 win will blow the doors off of the 7 PRC at long range. Once again anyone can shoot the 284 win, very versatile and it fits in any long action magazine when loaded long. The 7 SAUM is in the hunt for all of the same reasons.

 

[bmart2622]

It took me all of 30 seconds to find some

 

[wind gypsy]

The 6.8 Western never really had a chance. .277 is an enthusiast caliber at best anyway and it still just hasn’t caught on like the others and honestly I don’t think it ever will.

Yeah, the 6.8 W is a really nicely designed cartridge but to waste that effort on a .277 caliber was dumb. I wouldn't even think of it an enthusiasts caliber. Most enthusiasts in the realm the 6.8 is targeting know they want the best bullets and there are better options one step up and down in bore size from 277.

"but Jack O'Connor" says fudd.

 

[wind gypsy]

I don’t know why you are comparing a 270 to a 7mm. Apples and oranges.

I have always been a 270 fan. When I was a kid there were usually 2 guns at the local hardware store. A 30-06 and a 270. The 6.8 Western is one of the best cartridges ever devised for Western style hunting. If Jack O’Connor was alive he would be dancin a jig with a swig. Everyone can shoot it, very versatile and It is very accurate at long range. If you are going to get a 7 PRC, the only way to get the most of it, is to handload. But then we have the 7 SAUM and 284 win for handloaders. The 284 win has been around for 60 years and only recently has been widely adopted as one of the best 7mm cartridges ever. Unless Hornady has some magic fairy dust, the 284 win will blow the doors off of the 7 PRC at long range. Once again anyone can shoot the 284 win, very versatile and it fits in any long action magazine when loaded long. The 7 SAUM is in the hunt for all of the same reasons.

284 win will "blow the doors off of the 7 PRC at long range"? by what metric?

Don't think there's magic fairy dust to any cartridge. Seems like its just a simple continuum of bore size vs case capacity. Smaller cases = easier to get more consistent, accurate, stay in tune but with more drop and drift. 6mm BRs are insanely easy to get to shoot but the smaller 6 PPC is still much more popular in short range bench rest winning circles.

 

[Gila]

284 win will "blow the doors off of the 7 PRC at long range"? by what metric?

Don't think there's magic fairy dust to any cartridge. Seems like its just a simple continuum of bore size vs case capacity. Smaller cases = easier to get more consistent, accurate, stay in tune but with more drop and drift. 6mm BRs are insanely easy to get to shoot but the smaller 6 PPC is still much more popular in short range bench rest winning circles.

284 Win is an F-Class winner. There is something about the 284 win case design that adds to incredible accuracy at long range. That is what everyone says, is that the 284 win is easy to tune. I am not out to shoot elk at 700 plus yards...500 is my own limit these days. The 284 win is just one of those great all around western hunting cartridges. There is a lot of load data on the 284 win. I am just starting to play around with it. I found some Lapua brass, have some bullets, and powder to get started. Hopefully I will have everything tweaked by Pronghorn season.

 

[Gila]

284 Win is an F-Class winner. There is something about the 284 win case design that adds to incredible accuracy at long range. That is what everyone says, is that the 284 win is easy to tune. I am not out to shoot elk at 700 plus yards...500 is my own limit these days. The 284 win is just one of those great all around western hunting cartridges. There is a lot of load data on the 284 win. I am just starting to play around with it. I found some Lapua brass, have some bullets, and powder to get started. Hopefully I will have everything tweaked by Pronghorn season.

Just found this from an F-Class winner:

Choice for Long-Range F-Open Competition​

In Long-Range F-Open Class (out to 1000 yards), the big, high-BC bullets rule. If I had to pick one cartridge for F-Class (both mid- and long-range) I would pick the .284 Winchester or one of its variants. The .284 Win is currently dominating in F-Open competition. It offers great barrel life, it is super-easy to tune and its recoil is very manageable. The best bullets for it by far (in my opinion), are the Berger 180 Hybrids. But Sierra’s new 183gr MK bullet (with factory-uniformed meplats) seems to perform very well as does the Berger 180 VLD. Best powders for the .284 Win are H4350 and H4831SC.

 

[wind gypsy]

Just found this from an F-Class winner:

Choice for Long-Range F-Open Competition​

In Long-Range F-Open Class (out to 1000 yards), the big, high-BC bullets rule. If I had to pick one cartridge for F-Class (both mid- and long-range) I would pick the .284 Winchester or one of its variants. The .284 Win is currently dominating in F-Open competition. It offers great barrel life, it is super-easy to tune and its recoil is very manageable. The best bullets for it by far (in my opinion), are the Berger 180 Hybrids. But Sierra’s new 183gr MK bullet (with factory-uniformed meplats) seems to perform very well as does the Berger 180 VLD. Best powders for the .284 Win are H4350 and H4831SC.

Yes, .284 is the most popular/winning F-Class (high volume, fixed known distance shooting) cartridge around. It works well, no doubt. I wouldn't say that necessarily makes it better for a long range hunting application where range and wind errors are more likely.

 

[z987k]

284 Win is an F-Class winner. There is something about the 284 win case design that adds to incredible accuracy at long range. That is what everyone says, is that the 284 win is easy to tune. I am not out to shoot elk at 700 plus yards...500 is my own limit these days. The 284 win is just one of those great all around western hunting cartridges. There is a lot of load data on the 284 win. I am just starting to play around with it. I found some Lapua brass, have some bullets, and powder to get started. Hopefully I will have everything tweaked by Pronghorn season.

It's an absolute crap cartridge for anyone that doesn't a) build a custom rifle around it and b) handload.
Slow twist rate, too short of a factory limited COAL putting any kind of high BC bullet way into the powder.

The 7PRC doesn't require a custom rifle or handloading to kick the pants off a 284 win in SAAMI configuration of both the rifle and ammo. It's the whole point of it. For factory rifles and factory ammo.

 

[Flyjunky]

It's an absolute crap cartridge for anyone that doesn't a) build a custom rifle around it and b) handload.
Slow twist rate, too short of a factory limited COAL putting any kind of high BC bullet way into the powder.

The 7PRC doesn't require a custom rifle or handloading to kick the pants off a 284 win in SAAMI configuration of both the rifle and ammo. It's the whole point of it. For factory rifles and factory ammo.

7prc is made for those that don’t handload and want to shoot factory rifles. Otherwise you can get the same or better performance from 7mm’s already on the market with handloading, proper barrel twists, and throating.

 

[z987k]

7prc is made for those that don’t handload and want to shoot factory rifles. Otherwise you can get the same or better performance from 7mm’s already on the market with handloading, proper barrel twists, and throating.

I think that's exactly what I said.

 

[Flyjunky]

I think that's exactly what I said.

Yes, but people are talking like this is the greatest 7mm ever made….a la 6.5/300prc. It just gets tiring every time something new and shiny hits the market.

 

[bmart2622]

It is when it comes to out of box performance

 

[Flyjunky]

It is when it comes to out of box performance

Except for the 28nos

 

[Sadler]

You sound like my wife. Please explain how to look harder.

Shootingbot.com is a good place to start

 

[Leaf Litter]

Shootingbot.com is a good place to start

I'm not interested in purchasing anything 7PRC at the moment. Great cartridge (from what I've seen), but I already have a 6.8 Western and reloading hardware that fills the same niche. Between the 170 EOL, 165 ABLR and various Hammer bullets I have everything I need for hunting. Target options are limited, however.

 

[Unckebob]

Yeah, like 5 boxes total. I'm not dogging the 7PRC, it seems like a great cart, I'm dogging Hornady's ability to keep up with production. 6.5 and 300 PRCs both have severe shortages of components due to their popularity and they've been out for years

6 ARC is in the same boat. I have to form it from 6.5 Grendel brass. While I can do it, I don't like having ammo with the wrong headstamp.

 

[bmart2622]

Except for the 28nos

Waaay more recoil, way shorter barrel life, waaay less efficient

 

[Gila]

If all you want to do is buy a 7 PRC and then just shoot factory ammo, why not just stick to the 7 Rem Mag? It’s like buying a race horse to go trail riding. Average Joe or Josephine who sights in their rifle once before hunting season won’t know the difference. Let’s face it, the truth is it is just a pile of marketing hype.

 

[bmart2622]

If all you want to do is buy a 7 PRC and then just shoot factory ammo, why not just stick to the 7 Rem Mag? It’s like buying a race horse to go trail riding. Average Joe or Josephine who sights in their rifle once before hunting season won’t know the difference. Let’s face it, the truth is it is just a pile of marketing hype.

Because a factory 7 mag with factory ammo wont shoot 180gr bullets 3000fps out of a 24" barrel, thats why. Like I said before, do some research

 

[Ucsdryder]

I’ve heard 2 numbers so far for 20” barrels. Hornady said 2910 w/175 ELDX. Gunwerks said 2840 with 180g bullet.

Sooooo they reinvented a 7saum with a lot more powder and recoil. at least brass will be available!