.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Formidilosus]

I was specifically talking to Sadler, not you! I wanted to know the distance of his bull , no one else’s. I can plainly see the other posts, the distances and the wound channels….

You mean the one that he stated the range on plainly?

Is it necessary to be a jerk?

Is “jerk” what you call someone when they are asking for clarification from someone that claims to have read the whole thread, but clearly hasn’t by what they are writing that has been gone over dozens of times?

 

[Grover4360]

Y’all this thread is 302 pages. I’ve read the whole thing and I hardly remember anything that happened before page 250. I think y’all need to accept that you’re going to have to restate some of your points to new readers

Thank you for being the voice of reason. Surprising to me how defensive and critical people can be relative to an opinion. Well, I have learned that new readers are not very welcome.

 

[Grover4360]

You mean the one that he stated the range on plainly?





Is “jerk” what you call someone when they are asking for clarification from someone that claims to have read the whole thread, but clearly hasn’t by what they are writing that has been gone over dozens of times?

No, not really…. A jerk is clearly you! One who has no tolerance, no empathy, and no common sense.
Plus, Sadler enthusiastically responded that his elk was at 400 yards. Apparently the only one offended was you! Get a life dude!

 

[PNWGATOR]

No, not really…. A jerk is clearly you! One who has no tolerance, no empathy, and no common sense.
Plus, Sadler enthusiastically responded that his elk was at 400 yards. Apparently the only one offended was you! Get a life dude!

Really?

Take a moment and just read and learn and allow your mind to absorb what is posted here.

 

[Grover4360]

Yes really, did you send that same response to him?
I think I’ll just duck out of this thread, I got no time for the negativity and over zealous comments by some of your fans.

 

[PNWGATOR]

There is a ton of information here if you’re willing to open your mind and just read and absorbe.

Ask questions. Filter through the replies. Learn.

The entire website is this way.

Precisely why this thread exists on this specific forum.

It’s a wonderful online place to absorbe an incredible amount of first hand knowledge.

 

[Grover4360]

You guys really should warn people that newbies are not tolerated. It would save both of us valuable time. The fact that you can’t ask a question or make an observation if it is contained somewhere in your 300 pages is a pretty sad testament. I am discouraged, and no longer care to understand or absorb any more of this subject matter.

 

[Formidilosus]

You guys really should warn people that newbies are not tolerated. It would save both of us valuable time.

You don’t have to gaslight- most issues are with people who are ignorant of the subject and refuse to read the information so that they may not be ignorant of the subject- as you are showing. There isn’t much need for “opinions” about what bullets do in tissue as there is overwhelming evidence and quite a bit of data on what they do, if someone wanted to be educated.

No one with a functional level of intelligence could read this entire thread- the links to peer reviewed medical terminal ballistics research, gel tests, dozens upon dozens of former disbelievers that tried it and admitted they were wrong, seen the hundreds of wound pics with the resulting impact velocities from antelope to bull moose-still and still come up with what you have written.

The fact that you can’t ask a question or make an observation if it is contained somewhere in your 300 pages is a pretty sad testament. I am discouraged, and no longer care to understand or absorb any more of this subject matter.

You didn’t want to “absorb” it when you didn’t read the entire thread as you stated you did. “Opinion” is not objective reality. What you are seeing here is the refusal of people to value in “I like/I think/I feel” based on nothing but emotion without evidence- commonly called “opinion”; on the same level as logic, reason, and demonstrable evidence.

 

[Huckleberry Hound]

Can anybody tell me the coal of the black hills 77tmk? Im checking to make sure they fit in aics mags. Assuming they will. Id measure myself but im out at sea. Never used a chassis but thinking about getting a mdt hnt26

 

[Tahr]

This evening. 322 yards. Tikka mv 2900 fps. 77TMK.

 

[SamsonMan22]

Can anybody tell me the coal of the black hills 77tmk? Im checking to make sure they fit in aics mags. Assuming they will. Id measure myself but im out at sea. Never used a chassis but thinking about getting a mdt hnt26

Both my accurate and mdt aics mags allowed for longer coal than the tikka factory mags so you are good to go. I don’t know the length of the black hills ammo but I’m assuming it’s AR mag length so no issues with the Aics mags. It’s easy enough to modify the accurate mags for even more coal, I was using them to seat a 75eldm way out there with plenty of room. I don’t remember exactly but I want to say they were good for a little over 2.5”.

 

[fwafwow]

Seriously - welcome to Rokslide. You got called out for not reading the thread and posting some stuff (referring to "underpowered" and "down range energy," "perfect shot placement" "100 yards"""close quarters") that seems to make that clear. It's not a big deal. Sort of like farting in an elevator - we will all live.

You guys really should warn people that newbies are not tolerated.

Maybe the mods should update the FAQs for new members to include something along the lines of "the following threads have many posts, and therefore many members who are actively watching and participating in it. Some of them (ahem - fwafwow) have no lives outside of RS. You should therefore read the threads before posting something that would lead the many people who are invested to think you haven't read it." Some past examples would be "Hey, new to RS and look forward to reading all of this! I'm pretty skeptical of you kooks, but I will get back to y'all when I'm done!"

 

[ElPollo]

It's not a big deal. Sort of like farting in an elevator - we will all live.

Good one… huh, huh, huh…

 

[robby denning]

FWIW I’ve been trying to get @Ryan Avery and @robby denning talked into funding an AK Coastal Brown Bear filmed .223 77TMK expedition for this thread and this site.

PLEASE help them be convinced to send me and @Formidilosus
and a cameraman to AK kill a coastal brown bear with the .223!

Do we get our money back if it’s a wounding loss?

 

[Mike Islander]

Wow, some people can read more than a word at a time…. I know that could surprise you! What is it, no one can express an opinion that doesn’t mesh wit yours?

And...boom, new guy starting with the insults at the least pushback. Welcome to Rokslide. You're going to do great here. BOT? Fudd? Curmudgeon? How can you tell the difference? Right onto the ignore list.

 

[LCV]

Not to derail the haranguing but did anyone ever shoot something with the aac/psa 75gr “black tips”? Still curious how they stack up

 

[Mike D Texas]

This is a bullshit statement.

LOL, ok.

Just read through this thread much alone if you say anything negative about the scope tests or Rokstok.


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[jjohnsonElknewbie]

So what's your thought on the ideal cartridge for elk then?

And why?

 

[Billy Goat]

The answer is simple.

 

[roosiebull]

Probably a bit light for bear

Considering that they are the softest big game animal in the country and proper shot placement is not even near any large bones?