.223, 6mm, and 6.5 failures on big game

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WKR
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You have to admit that a 270 or a 30-06 are good recommendations. And with some practice and good form they are not at all hard to shoot.
They are good suggestions for someone who has gained basic firearms proficiency but will lead to poor habits in those who are untrained. You don't take a guy off the streets with no training and put him in the boxing ring with a semi pro boxer for a sparing match on the first day. A few people might do ok but for the most part people need to work up to it.

Jay
 

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They are good suggestions for someone who has gained basic firearms proficiency but will lead to poor habits in those who are untrained. You don't take a guy off the streets with no training and put him in the boxing ring with a semi pro boxer for a sparing match on the first day. A few people might do ok but for the most part people need to work up to it.

Jay
I'm still not seeing either the 30-06 or 270 as hard kickers, I take a guy off the street, teach him the fundementals with a 22 rimfire and then teach him how to shoot the bigger rifles. Very few people have never fired any sort of gun before they try bigger rounds. The Army is a different story. But they still teach fundamentals first. Yes certain people have a tough time with bigger guns. If they are not mentally equipped to handle a 270 with 130 grain loads are they really mentally equipped with the fortitude to kill deer? I used to qualify people for a security firm I worked for. Those that flinched and closed their eyes were shown the door.
 

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Good lord... Aren't you the guy who was arguing that the 243 is what your kids start on but only until they can handle a 270 or 30/06?

My apologies, maybe "started out with" weren't the 3 correct words to convey the sentiment of guys who start out, move up, and then move back down in cartridge capacity after analyzing results.
I’ll admit when I’m wrong - it’s easy to assume other hunting nuts are also gun nuts when all I’ve surrounded myself with are others just like me. I had to ask a friend if we are so unusual, and he assured me we are. What an epiphany - makes me more worried more than ever about the future of shooting, but it is what it is.

I’ll agree with you, adults going to a gun store cold with no shooting history or other big game rifles, shouldn’t buy more gun than a 6mm/243. They also shouldn’t think it’s a lightning bolt, or elk slayer, but that’s a different issue.
 

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I'm still not seeing either the 30-06 or 270 as hard kickers, I take a guy off the street, teach him the fundementals with a 22 rimfire and then teach him how to shoot the bigger rifles. Very few people have never fired any sort of gun before they try bigger rounds. The Army is a different story. But they still teach fundamentals first. Yes certain people have a tough time with bigger guns. If they are not mentally equipped to handle a 270 with 130 grain loads are they really mentally equipped with the fortitude to kill deer? I used to qualify people for a security firm I worked for. Those that flinched and closed their eyes were shown the door.
That's the key, someone teaches and they use a lower recoil system to get the fundamental knowledge. Not everyone gets that opportunity.

Jay
 
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