Questions for Form and other "small caliber for big game" folks

[mxgsfmdpx]

Well. Neither of the Tikkas that I took out today blew up due to a lack of cleaning so that’s good. Fun field day this morning starting before sunrise.

Windy again today but still managed to shoot some groups and chrono to make sure all the dreaded carbon build up wasn’t affecting my velocities. Winds were worse early on when shooting the 243. Coming in with swirls and big gusts past 30MPH on the kestrel from 7-9 o clock.



Tikka .243 shooting factory Hornady 95 SSTs. Factory Tikka 20” 8 twist barrel with just under 2,000 rounds. Never had a single patch down the barrel. 15 shots at 100 yards.






Things started to calm down to about half the wind values by the time I got to the Tikka 22 Creedmoor.

Over 1,100 rounds on this one. Never cleaned the barrel. Hand loaded 88 ELDMs. 15 shots at 100 yards.







Both guns were then verified to 850 yards with dozens of hits each on 10” gongs in varying winds and varying shooting positions.

 

[LONE HUNTER]

I honestly don’t see a lot of people telling experienced hunters they are doing things wrong on this forum. Most of what I see is inexperienced people coming to Rokslide with an expectation that they need more gun than they actually do and hearing forum members suggest options that are easier to shoot and still effective. If someone has been shooting a 375 H&H on little south Texas deer the size of big dogs since the dinosaurs walked the earth, I think that’s super cool and I’m sure it will work. I just don’t think it’s the best advice for a newbie.

What i mean is, the guys who come on here and bitch about

Tikkas
Scope drop eval
Smaller cartridges
Match bullets


Unless they've tried it... then saying its wrong is ridiculous. If someone tries it and decides its not for them then that's great.... atleast try shit if you're gonna say it aint right....

 

[Dobermann]

I am here to tell you that that experience is just as shocking, and not nearly as much fun, as walking into a sauna packed with the (naked) Norwegian women's ski team.

Can you tell us that story?

It would be far more interesting than reading Archer86's nonsense ...

 

[DagOtto]

Can you tell us that story?

It would be far more interesting than reading Archer86's nonsense ...

One of the funniest days I can remember. My buddy and I were in our late 20s or early 30s and both recently divorced and decided to go to the French Alps on an alpine skiing/ sightseeing trip.

Third or fourth day there we noticed that the little restauraunt in our hotel was filled with beautiful, very fit looking young women all wearing sweats and warm-ups with logos and the norwegian flag. My friend was pretty fearless and chatted a few of them up and discovered that they were the women’s cross country skiing national team from Norway in France for a race.

We spent most of our ski day that day devising various stupid plans for how we were going to meet and then hook-up with the cutest women on the team.

After skiing we went to the bar for a drink hoping to bump into some of the team, but of course they were not drinking before a race.

Then we decided we would go to the pool and spa area hoping they would be there.

When we arrived at the spa area we could hear female voices from the large sauna and so we headed that way. Ive since learned that in most of Europe saunas are clothing optional. But we didnt know that, and so we marched into the sauna with our baggie “board shorts” on.

It was steamy and pretty dark and also pretty crowded in that sauna, so it wasnt til we had found an open section of bench and taken our seats that I realized that not only had we found six or seven of the Norwegian race team, but that they were all topless and that some were completely naked!!

Id like to say that we played it super cool like James Bond and that I met the girl of my dreams. But instead we stared at the floor in embarrassment and barely said two words and the ladies carried on as if we didnt exist.

To this day I laugh every time I go near a sauna.

 

[CSY]

Hey ztc,

Yes, like you those Exo podcasts started me down this road. I've listened to them 2-3 times each and even took notes! I've since basically "hoovered" up every bit of Form content possible and that is how I landed here on Rokslide.

I've also put these theories into practice altering a rifle build from .308 win to 6.5CM, switching bullets from typical mono metals to DRT, leaving behind my beloved Leuopold brand for the first time in 30 years and going to Trijicon and NF, and transitioning from a ton of bench shooting to a ton of practical hunting drills.

I think that I have probably advanced my skills in terms of affectively and humanely kiling game more in the last 6-8 months than in the previous 30 years. And that is from someone who has been "trying" to be better than the average hunter for many years. This effort really accelerated for me about 5 seasons ago after a total rodeo on a large muley.

So while I still have a million questions and am skeptical by nature, I do feel incredibly appreciatve for Form and others on Rokslide and for Mark at Exo for sharing this info.

Curious what your reasoning was to go away from Leupold. I’ve heard good things about Trijicon and NF, but so have I with Leupold.

 

[CSY]

Curious what your reasoning was to go away from Leupold. I’ve heard good things about Trijicon and NF, but so have I with Leupold.

Disregard. I kept reading and saw the scope review links (page 6) several people posted. Thanks.

 

[Packmansion]

You have to accept carbon barrels will pit without cleaning - that fact of life hasn’t changed since Lewis and Clark were still in diapers.

I personally don’t care if people clean or not - it makes no sense since cleaning only takes a few minutes, but grown adults can do what they want. It’s talked about like nothing bad will happen, but barrels rust, metal below stock lines rust, bolts rust, triggers rust. It all works fine until it doesn’t. Avoiding basic maintenance because it takes too long is right up there with making a bed, wearing clean underwear, and washing the car.

1. I don't make my bed
2. I wear the same pair of underwear 5+ times before I wash them
3. I let the rain wash my car for free

All these chores and obligations were created by a kabal whose sole purpose is to get you to buy more underwear and car care products. They force you to make your bed even though there is no profit in it because they're just evil.

 

[Schmo]

1. I don't make my bed
2. I wear the same pair of underwear 5+ times before I wash them
3. I let the rain wash my car for free

All these chores and obligations were created by a kabal whose sole purpose is to get you to buy more underwear and car care products. They force you to make your bed even though there is no profit in it because they're just evil.

Please never invite me over!

 

[Dobermann]

One of the funniest days I can remember. My buddy and I were in our late 20s or early 30s and both recently divorced and decided to go to the French Alps on an alpine skiing/ sightseeing trip.

Third or fourth day there we noticed that the little restauraunt in our hotel was filled with beautiful, very fit looking young women all wearing sweats and warm-ups with logos and the norwegian flag. My friend was pretty fearless and chatted a few of them up and discovered that they were the women’s cross country skiing national team from Norway in France for a race.

We spent most of our ski day that day devising various stupid plans for how we were going to meet and then hook-up with the cutest women on the team.

After skiing we went to the bar for a drink hoping to bump into some of the team, but of course they were not drinking before a race.

Then we decided we would go to the pool and spa area hoping they would be there.

When we arrived at the spa area we could hear female voices from the large sauna and so we headed that way. Ive since learned that in most of Europe saunas are clothing optional. But we didnt know that, and so we marched into the sauna with our baggie “board shorts” on.

It was steamy and pretty dark and also pretty crowded in that sauna, so it wasnt til we had found an open section of bench and taken our seats that I realized that not only had we found six or seven of the Norwegian race team, but that they were all topless and that some were completely naked!!

Id like to say that we played it super cool like James Bond and that I met the girl of my dreams. But instead we stared at the floor in embarrassment and barely said two words and the ladies carried on as if we didnt exist.

To this day I laugh every time I go near a sauna.

That's fantastic.

Thanks for saving the thread.

 

[Packmansion]

Please never invite me over!

Live laugh love!

 

[TaperPin]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

 

[Packmansion]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

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If only the 410 had an effective range of 600 yards

 

[huntnful]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

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Holy shit. I’ve never even thought about shotgun recoil lol.

I’ve shot WELL over 5000 rounds of 12ga 3.5” rounds duck and goose hunting over the last 18 years. Crazy haha.

 

[TaperPin]

Holy shit. I’ve never even thought about shotgun recoil lol.

I’ve shot WELL over 5000 rounds of 12ga 3.5” rounds duck and goose hunting over the last 18 years. Crazy haha.

Nice! Lol

 

[huntnful]

Nice! Lol

With that said, just this year I bought 1000 rounds of 3” copper plated 3/5 shot since I’m not poor anymore and they don’t make it in 3.5” haha. It kills like a MF though.

 

[Flynhunt]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

I feel like there is a new thread about to start: “Goose and Swan success stories with 22 birdshot”

 

[huntnful]

I feel like there is a new thread about to start: “Goose and Swan success stories with 22 birdshot”

hahaha oh no!!

I’ll start…

“I’ve seen a 20 GAYge kill birds. But nothing like a 12 gauge….”

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m actually worried that the little gun crowd is flinching a lot while bird hunting with anything above 410. 7/8 oz 20 gauge loads recoil as much as a 270, and 1 oz matches a 7 mag. I keep telling my bird hunting friends they must be flinching every time they mis.

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That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

 

[np307]

I feel like there is a new thread about to start: “Goose and Swan success stories with 22 birdshot”

A lot of us hardcore turkey guys have been shooting .410s for years. TSS is good stuff. You'd have to be a millionaire to shoot it for waterfowl though.

 

[huntnful]

That would be neat- if shotgunners didn’t flinch. That the irony is lost on you to use shotgun recoil and flinching as an example that recoil doesn’t matter, would be sad if you did anything but troll.

I mean it’s not like there is a whole industry of backwards functioning triggers for shotgunners that cannot physically/mentally pull a trigger without having a seizure behind the gun or anything…. And it’s also not like 100% when a shotgunner gets a click instead of a bang on a bird or clay, that they don’t nearly fall on their face from anticipation….

And, it’s not like 410’s with certain ammo has become a monster for turkey, ducks, geese, etc.

TSS is insane.

What is the backwards functioning trigger and the industry pushing it? I’ve been out of the competition shotgun game for a while, but I never saw one or heard of it before?