What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[JM151]

I was watching a conversation over on Long Range Only about small calibers. I just got to say it was kind of comical how defensive those editors get over there. One guy was making an argument for small calibers and they kept saying he was wrong and Form “a god from another site” was also wrong and they have experience to prove otherwise. Looks like they also deleted the guys post for small calibers and shut down the whole thread

 

[wind gypsy]

I was watching a conversation over on Long Range Only about small calibers. I just got to say it was kind of comical how defensive those editors get over there. One guy was making an argument for small calibers and they kept saying he was wrong and Form “a god from another site” was also wrong and they have experience to prove otherwise. Looks like they also deleted the guys post for small calibers and shut down the whole thread

They stole the DFLs position on free speech over there. "Disinformation" must stop for the public's sake!

 

[JM151]

They stole the DFLs position on free speech over there. "Disinformation" must stop for the public's sake!

Agreed. Seems like they (two of main guys) like to discredit people and when they get challenged or called out they just delete post or shut down thread.

I’m looking to build a 6mm of some kind, does anybody have a situation where a small caliber failed? I know it probably doesn’t get talked about, I’m just trying to evaluate all the data and decide on cartridge/bullet.

 

[wind gypsy]

Agreed. Seems like they (two of main guys) like to discredit people and when they get challenged or called out they just delete post or shut down thread.

I’m looking to build a 6mm of some kind, does anybody have a situation where a small caliber failed? I know it probably doesn’t get talked about, I’m just trying to evaluate all the data and decide on cartridge/bullet.

There's a thread about that.. Something about 22, 6, 6.5 bullet fail stories

 

[Shooterpunk]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

 

[sclb745]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

Found it - Failures on big game

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...

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6mm /.243 hunting success on Big Game

With the success of .223 and 6.5 threads on big game, thought I’d throw this one into the mix. Show and detail your results harvesting big game (deer, bear, elk, moose, African game) using 6mm/.243 cartridges. Please detail bullet, MV, impact velocity, and whether hand load or factory ammo.

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6.5 Creedmoor/260 for Deer, Elk, and whatever else.....

Seeing that the 223 thread is such a success, I thought maybe I would start one for the Creedmoor/260. Seems like people are asking a lot about using them and various bullets, especially for elk. I've used mine for the last few years almost exclusively. I have some pics of bullet damage, albeit...

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[sclb745]

.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...

rokslide.com

6mm /.243 hunting success on Big Game

With the success of .223 and 6.5 threads on big game, thought I’d throw this one into the mix. Show and detail your results harvesting big game (deer, bear, elk, moose, African game) using 6mm/.243 cartridges. Please detail bullet, MV, impact velocity, and whether hand load or factory ammo.

rokslide.com

6.5 Creedmoor/260 for Deer, Elk, and whatever else.....

Seeing that the 223 thread is such a success, I thought maybe I would start one for the Creedmoor/260. Seems like people are asking a lot about using them and various bullets, especially for elk. I've used mine for the last few years almost exclusively. I have some pics of bullet damage, albeit...

rokslide.com

Ahh yea, should have done that as well. It was the guy above that asked for the failure thread.

 

[Shooterpunk]

Thank you!!

 

[Anschutz]

The only reason I'm an NRA member is to shoot NRA High Power, and that's gone downhill since their feud with the CMP and moving their National Matches from Camp Perry to Atterbury.

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[hunterjmj]

I did find the article written in AH by Towsley "The Importance of Long Range Values". It was the October issue and it starts on page 48. He recommends the minimum of 6.5 caliber and 130gr bullet for longer range hunting of any big game if you are going to engage, even though he clearly does not condone it. He goes into his reasoning and his experiments shooting at LR with some experts. Yeah, he is calling it out and he says he has been for a long time but too many are out to prove something that isn't in sportsmans best interests. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, but he does have a large hunting audience and I'm sure plenty of anti-hunter readers as well.

As for me, I will stick to my 270 or 308 for Pa deer and bear hunting and 7prc and 300wsm for anything farther to my self-limited range of 450 yards if I absolutely had to. You can almost always get closer than that if you try. I have nothing to "prove" by extending that range or shoot a 223 for big game....but to each their own.

Always wondered why you post on any of the smaller caliber threads? You obviously don't/wont hunt with them and you don't really contribute anything constructive to the discussion. I guess you just like people to know how manly you are cause you shoot a 500 nitro express. Why don't you start a constructive thread on 270 bullet choices for pa deer at ranges less than 450 yards? That'll be right in your wheelhouse and you may learn a thing or 2.

 

[Choupique]

you shoot a 500 nitro express

Well, idk about yall but I'm jealous.

 

[hunterjmj]

Well, idk about yall but I'm jealous.

He once stated we'd all be running to him begging to shoot his 500 or whatever nitro express when we came across a big animal.

 

[Tarkio]

There's a TON of posts on cartridge selection and bullet threads that go "have you read" the following:
1) the .223 thread
2) the 6mm thread
3) the 6.5mm thread

I've read those, and see a lot of animals and wound channels. I likely missed the nexus or catalyst for what has created this, but Rokslide is very much a place where you're going to get a posting response such as:
"you don't need a 7 PRC, get 7mm-08"
"Magnums are uneccesary to effectively kill game < 700 yards"
etc etc.
@Ryan Avery you shifted from margin of error, big 30s, and came around to super fast 6mm like 6 UM in like 2 years. What was the main thing that changed your mind?

I've read one comment along the lines of "being tired of the constant recommendations for smallest cartridge possible" or similar. I imagine that sentiment is not singular.

My Question: is the justifcation or cause of this people successfully killing animals with smaller catridges and caliber bullets using match-type bullets creating large wound channels? I've heard hit rates/statistics cited, but unsure where to read about this. For those "converts" who have seen the smaller cartridge light - can you please expain to me what/why? If repeated elsewhere in hundreds of pages of the evidence based (ie kills) threads, I still thought it might be useful to tuck the "why" topic into a dedicated thread.

Again I'm not saying it is wrong - I'm just noticing a very prevelant trend and trying to fully understand it. And I own a 6.5CM which was purchased due to cheaper ammo, less recoil, availability, etc so I have some understanding and experience with the benefits cited. I also own a suppresssed 7 PRC, which I read is basically too much recoil/gun for western hunting? I think Form said somewhere a full 6.5 PRC around 16 ft-lb of recoil was the practical limit for most adults, and they always do better < 10 ft-lbs?

I've heard the Shoot2Hunt podcasts and read the threads, and haven't walked away with a clear "why."

Brief me. Please.

Might be that people realize most folks do a far better job shooting a lighter round with less blast and recoil.

Generally speaking, far better to make a good hit with a slightly smaller bullet with a bit less energy than either a miss or a bad shot.


Just me WAGing

 

[Choupique]

begging to shoot his 500 or whatever nitro express

Dude must be rich af if he's hunting in north America with anything that says nitro express on the barrels.

 

[hunterjmj]

Very possible. I'd love to own one for a Cape buffalo hunt but that won't happen. I'd probably go 416 Remington if I ever get the opportunity.

 

[hunterjmj]

Dude must be rich af if he's hunting in north America with anything that says nitro express on the barrels.

I had to look it up. He has a 470 Nitro and a 505 Gibbs. I'd love to have either.

 

[Billogna]

Anyone who spends THAT much time carrying gun writers and La Pierre's testicles for them can EASILY handle the recoil for a 500 Nitro!