What caused the Rokslide shift to smallest caliber and cartridges?

[pacoalcracker]

I did find the article written in AH by Towsley "The Importance of Long Range Values". It was the October issue and it starts on page 48. He recommends the minimum of 6.5 caliber and 130gr bullet for longer range hunting of any big game if you are going to engage, even though he clearly does not condone it. He goes into his reasoning and his experiments shooting at LR with some experts. Yeah, he is calling it out and he says he has been for a long time but too many are out to prove something that isn't in sportsmans best interests. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, but he does have a large hunting audience and I'm sure plenty of anti-hunter readers as well.

As for me, I will stick to my 270 or 308 for Pa deer and bear hunting and 7prc and 300wsm for anything farther to my self-limited range of 450 yards if I absolutely had to. You can almost always get closer than that if you try. I have nothing to "prove" by extending that range or shoot a 223 for big game....but to each their own.

 

[General RE LEE]

I see value in watching the hit and what immediately follows through the scope.

 

[Pharmseller]

Just because your wife overspends at the store and still can't cook very well...but, you're not starving and eat what she cooks...does not make her a terrible wife and cause for divorce. Same for NRA.

Can you post pics of the wife?

To stay on topic, here’s a bacon cheeseburger with grilled onions from the buck I killed this year with a .223 using a single 75 gr ELDM. DRT.







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[Billogna]

 

[goalie]

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I laughed so hard when I saw this.

 

[wind gypsy]

I did find the article written in AH by Towsley "The Importance of Long Range Values". It was the October issue and it starts on page 48. He recommends the minimum of 6.5 caliber and 130gr bullet for longer range hunting of any big game if you are going to engage, even though he clearly does not condone it. He goes into his reasoning and his experiments shooting at LR with some experts. Yeah, he is calling it out and he says he has been for a long time but too many are out to prove something that isn't in sportsmans best interests. I'm not saying he is right or wrong, but he does have a large hunting audience and I'm sure plenty of anti-hunter readers as well.

As for me, I will stick to my 270 or 308 for Pa deer and bear hunting and 7prc and 300wsm for anything farther to my self-limited range of 450 yards if I absolutely had to. You can almost always get closer than that if you try. I have nothing to "prove" by extending that range or shoot a 223 for big game....but to each their own.

My membership must have lapsed, i dont recall seeing that issue but then again i dont find much value in most of the ads and elementary stuff written in AH. What does he define as "Longer Range"? I'd like to hear the relevance of why a 130 grain 6.5 pill is the cut off.

 

[huntnful]

Form.....I see Bryce Townsley has, and now editor in chief J. Scott Omstead are calling you .223 for large game and long range small caliber hunting guys out.....publicly, in American Hunter magazine (NRA). Not you specifically, but the concept you are pushing(perhaps he knows of the RS 223 pages). Page 8 of the December issue. Me personally, I don't care a lot about what others shoot but I certainly won't be doing it since I can handle the cartridges that I shoot. I just find it interesting, with the wider viewpoint on the concept, outside of RS. Seems you have an excellent opportunity to set them right, like you attempt to do here. Somehow, I don't think you will exercise it.

I’ve never seen the .223 actually recommended for long range. Tested to long range to prove expansion and lethality, and then shared, yes. But never whole heartedly recommended for it.

I think people like to take things out of context in those publications to cause an uproar and gain traction.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Agree, it's not been touted for longer range than the bullet construction and velocity allow for proper expansion.

 

[35WhelenAI]

Despite any difference in case size or caliber, bullet performance is all that's left at the end of the day. We do all have common ground in that regardless of what we shoot.

 

[ElPollo]

Elpollo...millions of NRA members get AH magazine...and read it. Sorry if you cannot see the benefits to reading, and more importantly, backing those that protect your freedoms to shoot and hunt. It's your loss to contend with. I read every single day......it's part of retaining intelligence.

Benefits of reading? I read plenty, but don’t waste my time with bad sources. I’ve seen multiple copies of AH over the years and have never found it to be worth the paper it was printed on.

 

[Jake Larsen]

I’ve never seen the .223 actually recommended for long range. Tested to long range to prove expansion and lethality, and then shared, yes. But never whole heartedly recommended for it.

I think people like to take things out of context in those publications to cause an uproar and gain traction.

Who honestly reads AH? Or any of the written publications? They’re pandering to their base, which is mostly older guys who have read the same outdoor writers for decades. It’s an easy way to get the old guys sitting in their rockers to guffaw and huff at these new age internet hunters and their stupid ideas. There’s a good chance none of these writers have even taken the time to read through the piles of evidence that flies in the face of their conventional “wisdom” let alone actually test it for themselves.


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[ElPollo]

Elpollo...millions of NRA members get AH magazine...and read it. Sorry if you cannot see the benefits to reading, and more importantly, backing those that protect your freedoms to shoot and hunt. It's your loss to contend with. I read every single day......it's part of retaining intelligence.

By the way, you might want to look up the definition of “passive aggressive behavior” and read it. You might get something beneficial out of it. But maybe not.

 

[ElPollo]

It would be great if we could focus on the topic of the thread and not go down the NRA politics rabbit hole.

 

[JM151]

I was watching a conversation over on Long Range Only about small calibers. I just got to say it was kind of comical how defensive those editors get over there. One guy was making an argument for small calibers and they kept saying he was wrong and Form “a god from another site” was also wrong and they have experience to prove otherwise. Looks like they also deleted the guys post for small calibers and shut down the whole thread

 

[wind gypsy]

I was watching a conversation over on Long Range Only about small calibers. I just got to say it was kind of comical how defensive those editors get over there. One guy was making an argument for small calibers and they kept saying he was wrong and Form “a god from another site” was also wrong and they have experience to prove otherwise. Looks like they also deleted the guys post for small calibers and shut down the whole thread

They stole the DFLs position on free speech over there. "Disinformation" must stop for the public's sake!

 

[JM151]

They stole the DFLs position on free speech over there. "Disinformation" must stop for the public's sake!

Agreed. Seems like they (two of main guys) like to discredit people and when they get challenged or called out they just delete post or shut down thread.

I’m looking to build a 6mm of some kind, does anybody have a situation where a small caliber failed? I know it probably doesn’t get talked about, I’m just trying to evaluate all the data and decide on cartridge/bullet.

 

[wind gypsy]

Agreed. Seems like they (two of main guys) like to discredit people and when they get challenged or called out they just delete post or shut down thread.

I’m looking to build a 6mm of some kind, does anybody have a situation where a small caliber failed? I know it probably doesn’t get talked about, I’m just trying to evaluate all the data and decide on cartridge/bullet.

There's a thread about that.. Something about 22, 6, 6.5 bullet fail stories

 

[Shooterpunk]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

 

[sclb745]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

Found it - Failures on big game

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Where are the threads for 223, 6mm, and 6.5mm? I haven't been on this site for a while but would love to look through them.

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