Wyoming corner crossing

[pilgrim7]

I know the appeals will drag on and on, but having just applied for a marginal unit full of checkerboard I'm getting excited! A guy can dream! Good news no matter how long this takes.

 

[Afhunter1]

I’m not sure but I think the ruling stands until appeal is heard and ruled on so for now it’s wide open. I doubt any appeal would be heard before this season.

 

[cnelk]

I know the appeals will drag on and on, but having just applied for a marginal unit full of checkerboard I'm getting excited! A guy can dream! Good news no matter how long this takes.

You better hope there’s a corner pin/monument on every corner you intend to step over - otherwise you won’t know if you’re on public or private because your phone or gps ain’t that precise

 

[bdan68]

You better hope there’s a corner pin/monument on every corner you intend to step over - otherwise you won’t know if you’re on public or private because your phone or gps ain’t that precise

If the corner hasn't been monumented, then the landowner doesn't know exactly where the corner is either, and neither would law enforcement. So how do they cite someone for trespass when it can't be shown that they trespassed?

 

[Gutshotem]

You better hope there’s a corner pin/monument on every corner you intend to step over - otherwise you won’t know if you’re on public or private because your phone or gps ain’t that precise

Except you don't have to prove that you didn't tresspas, the state has to prove that you did.

 

[cnelk]

Except you don't have to prove that you didn't tresspas, the state has to prove that you did.

Personally, I don’t want to be tied up in court either way

 

[jmez]

Barry won't be happy with that ruling. Would the state be able to pass a law that supercedes the Fed decision?

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[ben h]

The defendants won with a "summary judgement" according to that article except for the waypoint 6 outstanding issue. From my understanding (not a lawyer), a summary judgement is different from a regular judgement and makes appeals more difficult and if they're only entitled to nominal damages, I doubt they'd appeal except for making an example, which of course is what this entire case is about.

 

[MJB]

Good hope it holds

 

[Idaboy]

Newberg podcast explains the whole process, I suspect he'll have an update this summer, he's been interviewing a couple lawyers on his podcast about this....interesting discussion

 

[Jfujan]

Anyone know how many acres this will "unlock" in Wyoming?

 

[grfox92]

You better hope there’s a corner pin/monument on every corner you intend to step over - otherwise you won’t know if you’re on public or private because your phone or gps ain’t that precise

I'm going by the fence line. With a few exceptions, every corner situation I've come across in Wyoming has had a fence at the corner.

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[grfox92]

Anyone know how many acres this will "unlock" in Wyoming?

Not sure. But as a resident, I am very excited and the wheels are turning.

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[awbowhunter]

So do I need tha folding ladder to cross?
Or can I just hop across?

We need a tik Toki you tuber to show us how it's done proper like now..

 

[wyosteve]

A summary judgment has the same effect as a 'regular' judgment. It's just s shortcut process available if the parties and court say there's no question of material fact. There is a question on waypoint 6 which is why summary judgment was not granted. Fwiw.

 

[wytx]

I'm going by the fence line. With a few exceptions, every corner situation I've come across in Wyoming has had a fence at the corner.

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That might get you in trouble. Fences are frequently placed where easiest instead of at property lines. Lots of leased parcels also are not fenced separately from the private land. You should have an accurate GPS.

 

[ben h]

A summary judgment has the same effect as a 'regular' judgment. It's just s shortcut process available if the parties and court say there's no question of material fact. There is a question on waypoint 6 which is why summary judgment was not granted. Fwiw.

Thanks wyosteve. I thought it was something like that, so there isn't anything to appeal as far as the summary judgment issues are concerned and the waypoint 6 doesn't have anything to do with the corner crossing except for it's the same people.

https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2023/SF0056
It looks like if this is signed it clears it up as far as WY is concerned from July 1, 2023 going forward.

 

[wyosteve]

Well, the summary judgment could be appealed, but will likely have to wait until the Waypoint 6 is decided so the whole case can go. I think you're right in that Waypoint 6 doesn't have anything to do with the corner crossing. The Waypoint 6 issue, as I read it, is whether they trespassed to 'get' waypoint 6 on their gps. As I understand, Waypoint 6 could have been 'saved/created', by standing at that location (which is on private property) and punching the gps key or, and I'm guessing here because I don't use a gps for hunting, the coordinates could be entered without standing at the location and a waypoint created. That is the question of material fact the judge will need to decide at the trial.

 

[timstl]

Well, the summary judgment could be appealed, but will likely have to wait until the Waypoint 6 is decided so the whole case can go. I think you're right in that Waypoint 6 doesn't have anything to do with the corner crossing. The Waypoint 6 issue, as I read it, is whether they trespassed to 'get' waypoint 6 on their gps. As I understand, Waypoint 6 could have been 'saved/created', by standing at that location (which is on private property) and punching the gps key or, and I'm guessing here because I don't use a gps for hunting, the coordinates could be entered without standing at the location and a waypoint created. That is the question of material fact the judge will need to decide at the trial.

Unless I'm missing something, it seems like the Waypoint 6 issue should be pretty open and shut. It seems fairly absurd. Your guess is correct, but it's even easier than that with OnX, GoHunt, and I assume most mapping software: You don't have to enter any coordinates, you just touch on the screen, so it's simple to create waypoints where you haven't been. I have *many* Waypoints on my phone of places I never set foot -- both public and private land. Some were intentional (spotted animal while glassing) and some were not (just accidentally clicked the incorrect spot). Not sure how a waypoint could be twisted into proof of trespass.

 

[Magnum61]

If I was a land owner I would be building going with the flow and building parking lot with cameras thats 10X closer to the hunt area than the public land would allow for access and set it up like an RV campsite. Security gate, water, garbage, wifi.

Screw the "Outfitting" - Passive cash flow rules.

Too many lazy guys are out there willing to pay for less ground to cover. Even though it's free somewhere else.