Wyoming Corner Crossing, LEGAL!

[wapitibob]

What's to stop landowners from putting up a little section of corner fence 12' tall on the opposing corners of private? Pretty hard to cross that without climbing it

Maybe read the ruling.

 

[idelkslayer]

I wonder what it would cost a guy to hire a surveyor to go out and place a single corner pin. Might be worth the trouble depending on the location.

 

[nodakian]

I wonder what it would cost a guy to hire a surveyor to go out and place a single corner pin. Might be worth the trouble depending on the location.

Post in thread 'WY Corner crossing update' https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/wy-corner-crossing-update.258476/post-4094427

 

[silencedmajority]

I wonder what it would cost a guy to hire a surveyor to go out and place a single corner pin. Might be worth the trouble depending on the location.

Probably not legal to do this on any public land, i.e. disturbing soil without a permit

 

[Zeke6951]

As far as a LO moving a corner pin, I have been told that in KY at least, that is a felony. If a corner pin is moved for any reason no one but a licensed surveyor is allowed to put it back in place.

 

[nodakian]

Probably not legal to do this on any public land, i.e. disturbing soil without a permit

It would be as legal as doing anything else on public land, unless a state has specific rules against surveying state land. We regularly survey fed and state land boundaries in the oil field.

In a checkerboard scenario, the survey is of a boundary between private and public land, and any private owner is entitled to have his boundary surveyed. Therefore, if a hunter wants to know where boundary corners are, the landowner may not object to a free survey of his property. Or the owner could hire his own surveyor who may confirm or refute the hunter's surveyor. (Dueling surveyors...fun!)

In my experience, government generally will not get involved unless they have a good reason, such as a fencing project or a controversy. Even then, they tend to defer to previous surveys unless they have good reason not to.

 

[RyanT26]

Fred is running out of time!

Extension denial leaves Wyoming ranch owner a week to convince SCOTUS to hear corner crossing case - WyoFile

Eshelman has until July 16 to state why the court should consider the corner-crossing conflict between public access to public land and private property rights.

wyofile.com

Elk Mountain Ranch owner Fred Eshelman will have to convince four of the U.S. Supreme Court’s nine justices to take up his appeal of a lower court’s decision that corner crossing is not trespassing.

His attorneys have until July 16 to file their reasons why a ruling by the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals merits Supreme Court review. On Wednesday, Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch rejected without comment a request by Eshelman’s attorneys for a second 30-day extension, leaving July 16 as the deadline. Gorsuch granted the initial extension in May.

 

[Weldor]

I don't know about you guy's, but the boundaries I've been around are all subject to scrutiny. Not a dig at Surveyor's but I had two lines done and 3 different surveyor's and all had a discrepancy's up to 3 feet . The USFS just did one on the boundary line and to my neighbor he is encroaching by at least 10 ft. Boundary tree with a USGS pin is at his corner.??

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I don't know about you guy's, but the boundaries I've been around are all subject to scrutiny. Not a dig at Surveyor's but I had two lines done and 3 different surveyor's and all had a discrepancy's up to a 3 feet . The USFS just did one on the boundary line and to my neighbor he is encroaching by at least 10 ft. Boundary tree with a USGS pin is at his corner.??

Makes it more difficult to accuse somebody of trespassing then if the surveyors can't agree, innocent until proven guilty (or that's how it's supposed to be).

 

[rodney482]

I don't know about you guy's, but the boundaries I've been around are all subject to scrutiny. Not a dig at Surveyor's but I had two lines done and 3 different surveyor's and all had a discrepancy's up to a 3 feet . The USFS just did one on the boundary line and to my neighbor he is encroaching by at least 10 ft. Boundary tree with a USGS pin is at his corner.??

The state is the one that has to prove guilt

 

[RyanT26]

The crazy bastard is going to try and take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Ranch owner asks Supreme Court to decide corner crossing’s legality, says lower court ‘inverted' law - WyoFile

Fred Eshelman’s petition for high-court review asserts that 10th Circuit victory for hunters and the public to access public land constitutes an unconstitutional taking of private property.

wyofile.com

 

[wapitibob]

The crazy bastard is going to and take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Ranch owner asks Supreme Court to decide corner crossing’s legality, says lower court ‘inverted' law - WyoFile

Fred Eshelman’s petition for high-court review asserts that 10th Circuit victory for hunters and the public to access public land constitutes an unconstitutional taking of private property.

wyofile.com

They have to accept his request.

 

[LFC911]

I'm guessing if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling, it will make it legal everywhere?

 

[LostArra]

While his claims of trespassing are absurd it's interesting that Mr Eshelman in every article is described as a "wealthy pharmaceutical magnate from North Carolina" somehow equating his business success and being a non-resident make him a villain. If he was a homegrown local dirt farmer would he be viewed the same? Plenty of resident landowners, wealthy or not, are in Eshelman's corner on this. (no pun)

Looking back, if the ranch manager had handled the original corner crossing with tact and diplomacy rather than threats and criminal charges those hunters would have finished their hunt, gone home to Missouri and no one would be the wiser. They probably wouldn't be back every year and they don't seem like internet influencers who would burn their hunting spot or corner crossing technique on YouTube videos.

 

[Gobbler36]

I'm guessing if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling, it will make it legal everywhere?

This is what I want to know
How do I get this legal in Idaho

 

[LFC911]

This is what I want to know
How do I get this legal in Idaho

This is probably the shortest path.

 

[dgfavor]

This is what I want to know
How do I get this legal in Idaho

What makes you think it's illegal in Idaho?

 

[Gobbler36]

What makes you think it's illegal in Idaho?

Well if it’s not that’s good news

 

[S-3 ranch]

I'm guessing if the Supreme Court upholds the ruling, it will make it legal everywhere?

His appeal is a joke ! Gander at the wording of the appeal
“General ”public to access public land constitutes an unconstitutional taking of private property.”

The BiG Rich Law of the land is outdated, , and has been unfairly ignored by the court system for centuries

 

[HairyScandinavian]

The crazy bastard is going to try and take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Ranch owner asks Supreme Court to decide corner crossing’s legality, says lower court ‘inverted' law - WyoFile

Fred Eshelman’s petition for high-court review asserts that 10th Circuit victory for hunters and the public to access public land constitutes an unconstitutional taking of private property.

wyofile.com

I think his attorneys are enjoying the extra work. Once you identify a sucker no reason to stop bilking him.