Wyoming Corner Crossing defense fund

[WCB]

Maybe BHA should write a letter.

 

[CorbLand]

Maybe BHA should write a letter.

If I am not mistaken, I think a local BHA chapter is the one that put up the GoFundMe.

 

[WCB]

If I am not mistaken, I think a local BHA chapter is the one that put up the GoFundMe.View attachment 354198

ok....They are doing a fundraiser for a defense fund...isn't public land access literally what they exists for and isn't everything they do a fundraiser for this exact cause? Unless I missed it is Wyoming BHA or the national chapter promising to match the funds raised? IDK to me it seems weird that they fundraise for years so they can fundraise? This is almost like BHA's Super Bowl...this case will set precedent where maybe the Sheep farmers case didn't and could shape BHA's whole pitch and pint night propaganda.

Also, if this is about air space...I am allowed to permanently leave things like chains across public air space? or in general allowed to leave my private property on public ground with facing a littering violation or other violation?

 

[deepnsteep]

I took a few minutes to relisten to the Your Mountain podcast on corner crossing. It's a good one after reading though this!

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[Bighorner]

It is very important to realize it is very early in the game with a long list of possible outcomes. 1,200 people have voted with their wallets and that counts for a heck of a lot more than idle talk on a forum. There is obviously support for those 4 men and people are taking notice.

 

[cnymuzguy]

Sucks that the people that own the land (the public) have to fight/pay (again) for their right to use it.

 

[Reburn]

IMO
45k is really much of nothing as losing this case cost much much more.
Would like to see what orgs actually put their money and necks out there when it matters.

IF they lose expect to see markers at every corner and be prepared to not have access to a bunch of land that some landowners ignored the corner crossings.

 

[blackdawg]

They are getting free land that belongs to US tax payers, not really concerned about their issues if they keep blocking folks from it. If they provide walk in access then we can look at those issues.


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Provide walk in access? Wouldn’t the survey meet in the corner if it was 4 lots in a neighborhood, if you owned two caddy corner lots and the neighbor owned two caddy corner lots, who would have the say so over who could cross the corner or would everyone need to walk around to access the other lot?


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[BuzzH]

ok....They are doing a fundraiser for a defense fund...isn't public land access literally what they exists for and isn't everything they do a fundraiser for this exact cause? Unless I missed it is Wyoming BHA or the national chapter promising to match the funds raised? IDK to me it seems weird that they fundraise for years so they can fundraise? This is almost like BHA's Super Bowl...this case will set precedent where maybe the Sheep farmers case didn't and could shape BHA's whole pitch and pint night propaganda.

Also, if this is about air space...I am allowed to permanently leave things like chains across public air space? or in general allowed to leave my private property on public ground with facing a littering violation or other violation?

You sound the like the type that never raises a finger to do much of anything but complain.

There are over 1200 people that are putting themselves out there by donating money, a bunch more that are directly involved in this to help improve access to millions of acres of public land for all to enjoy.

Those are the people that count...and to give them thanks is an understatement.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

-Teddy Roosevelt

 

[dieselchessy]

Provide walk in access? Wouldn’t the survey meet in the corner if it was 4 lots in a neighborhood, if you owned two caddy corner lots and the neighbor owned two caddy corner lots, who would have the say so over who could cross the corner or would everyone need to walk around to access the other lot?


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There would be a legal right of way so as to not land lock the lots.
Just like we need here. A legal right of way defined clearly.

 

[Bighorner]

Provide walk in access? Wouldn’t the survey meet in the corner if it was 4 lots in a neighborhood, if you owned two caddy corner lots and the neighbor owned two caddy corner lots, who would have the say so over who could cross the corner or would everyone need to walk around to access the other lot?


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In rural areas, with potentially tense neighbor relations, this is a common way to address the situation. Each give up a little grass, but it allows cattle to be moved without interfering with the neighboring pastures.

The dashed lines are gates. The cross in the center is the corner. They are more expensive and time consuming to build. I would be certainly match what I put into the go fund me as well as my time to help build a couple. I sincerely believe being a good neighbor should always be the first course of action.

 

[WCB]

You sound the like the type that never raises a finger to do much of anything but complain.

There are over 1200 people that are putting themselves out there by donating money, a bunch more that are directly involved in this to help improve access to millions of acres of public land for all to enjoy.

Those are the people that count...and to give them thanks is an understatement.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

-Teddy Roosevelt

You have no idea what I do or don't do and definitely am not a complainer. I don't think 1200 people are "putting themselves" out there by donating a few dollars. Hell if that is "putting yourself out there" I'm living on the edge from donations.

 

[Squincher]

ok....They are doing a fundraiser for a defense fund...isn't public land access literally what they exists for and isn't everything they do a fundraiser for this exact cause? Unless I missed it is Wyoming BHA or the national chapter promising to match the funds raised? IDK to me it seems weird that they fundraise for years so they can fundraise? This is almost like BHA's Super Bowl...this case will set precedent where maybe the Sheep farmers case didn't and could shape BHA's whole pitch and pint night propaganda.

Also, if this is about air space...I am allowed to permanently leave things like chains across public air space? or in general allowed to leave my private property on public ground with facing a littering violation or other violation?

You sound the like the type that never raises a finger to do much of anything but complain.

There are over 1200 people that are putting themselves out there by donating money, a bunch more that are directly involved in this to help improve access to millions of acres of public land for all to enjoy.

Those are the people that count...and to give them thanks is an understatement.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

-Teddy Roosevelt

So, in all this text, not a word of answer to the question of what BHA is doing? I guess we can assume the answer is "nothing."

 

[Reburn]

You sound the like the type that never raises a finger to do much of anything but complain.

There are over 1200 people that are putting themselves out there by donating money, a bunch more that are directly involved in this to help improve access to millions of acres of public land for all to enjoy.

Those are the people that count...and to give them thanks is an understatement.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

-Teddy Roosevelt

My only question is have yall really thought through what happens if you lose?

 

[String&stick]

If we lose it's basically status quo for lots of people. Some may be effected by current areas they corner cross though.

My real question to this thou is how hard would it be for Congress/SCOTUS to approve and uphold a 5ft wide up undeveloped public access easement???

It would not harm any private land, it would not install roads through everything, but It would allow "We the people" to access our land and clear up any airspace BS argument.

 

[deepnsteep]

If we lose it's basically status quo for lots of people. Some may be effected by current areas they corner cross though.

My real question to this thou is how hard would it be for Congress/SCOTUS to approve and uphold a 5ft wide up undeveloped public access easement???

It would not harm any private land, it would not install roads through everything, but It would allow "We the people" to access our land and clear up any airspace BS argument.

Right now status quo is that corner crossing is neither definitively illegal nor legal. Depending on which court it's heard in and these guys lose, it could set a legal precedent that it's definitevely illegal. I sure hope they're thinking this through and picked the right case to pick the fight with!

State legislatures have tried several times to clarify, but it goes nowhere because it's complicated. I don't know about Congress, but it's even worse with them involved. An automatic or implied corner easement of any width would go absolutely nowhere in legislation. There are just too many nuances for that to work. The airspace issue is the issue that matters for this kind of corner crossing.

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[204guy]

I'm no attorney but wouldnt these tickets not being challenged set a precedence. I dont know what the public land user has to lose. Keeping it in a grey area where you might get a ticket or not depending on what county you're in, who the DA is, whether you went to high school with the sheriff etc. That's not an acceptable place for law to be in the US.

 

[svivian]

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When you read property descriptions like this for sale..... Just another example

 

[wapitibob]

My only question is have yall really thought through what happens if you lose?

I’m not convinced much will happen; there aren’t 50 people that corner cross in Wyoming and the other 50,000 didn’t care enough to bother calling the warden or sheriff to see what he’d do if they tried it. Elk mountain ranch will have nobody crossing but it’s the anomaly, there just aren’t that many people crossing corners. If this case is won, I suspect the legislature will step in.

 

[WCB]

Kind of off subject but if I was these guys and found "guilty" and corner crossing is deemed "illegal" I would make it a point to hire a helicopter or plane and land yards from that corner if possible and set up camp and hunt it still.