Would you buy this scope?

[Ryan Avery]

I think a simple poll would have been orders of magnitude MORE helpful. And all of the important information would take up 2 typed lines of space.

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I appreciate everyone's feedback. It went way better than I could have imagined.

 

[43.6N]

I’m very interested in the Steiner. And actually like the Christmas tree mil reticles on gas guns.
But I would really prefer to hear feedback on its durability track record before spending $$ on one.

They just need to make a nx4 or nx5 series, unfortunately it'd be a more forgiving optical system and likely take too much a bite out of their nx8 sales.

There is a new piece of glass available from Steiner, the H6xi 2-12x42, has huge FOV, FFP, small exposed elevation turret and capped windage. The moa reticle sucks balls, but the mil tree reticle is usable, but subtensions likely unusable below 8X power. Weight is 23oz, very short body, but few reviews say the eyebox isn't too bad. Most high mag range short tube scopes suffer in this regard.

Reticle is very busy, spin off of their scr2 it appears.
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[Dave0317]

Sounds like you want to put a maven rs1.2 on carnivore diet. Lose some magnification and 20% it's weight. 12x top end kinda loses me, I'd just take a rebranded Triji 3-18x44 with a different reticle.

What does the extra magnification do for you?
I think kind of like the Christmas tree reticles,
People “think” they need it. In reality, I think magnification is similar. People like the close up view, but in a real field situation, you don’t need as much as you think, and too much has more downsides than benefits. Reticle sizing issues, reduced field of view, eye relief, eye box, scope weight, etc.

If you want a heavy scope with lots of magnification, those are already out there. This will be something different.

I’m thinking this scope will sell itself to certain shooters. For everyone else, you can’t sell it to them, they will have to realize it’s what they want via education and experience.

 

[khuber84]

What does the extra magnification do for you?
I think kind of like the Christmas tree reticles,
People “think” they need it. In reality, I think magnification is similar. People like the close up view, but in a real field situation, you don’t need as much as you think, and too much has more downsides than benefits. Reticle sizing issues, reduced field of view, eye relief, eye box, scope weight, etc.

If you want a heavy scope with lots of magnification, those are already out there. This will be something different.

I’m thinking this scope will sell itself to certain shooters. For everyone else, you can’t sell it to them, they will have to realize it’s what they want via education and experience.

Pm sent not to clutter discussion.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

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I appreciate everyone's feedback. It went way better than I could have imagined.

So... any more bread crumbs you can toss in the pond and watch the resultant frenzy?

 

[JGRaider]

I think Avery and Form should ignore all the comments here and make whatever scope they think would be best for most hunters (20oz or under!) and it would probably sell like hotcakes as long as the price is doable for most.

I've seen this movie before over on 24HCF. Everyone wants one (in that case an S&B 6x) until it's time to write the checks, then not so much.

 

[Shortschaf]

I've seen this movie before over on 24HCF. Everyone wants one (in that case an S&B 6x) until it's time to write the checks, then not so much.

My moneys are already tied up in a Maven that I'd drop in a heartbeat for something as described. If it was a $300 or more deficit for me, Id hold onto the Maven though

But agree that people are generally quick to promise their dollar and not so quick to deliver

 

[TX_Diver]

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I appreciate everyone's feedback. It went way better than I could have imagined.

Preorders open next week?

Too soon?

I’ll be following along and my interest in at least one has grown as I’ve shot a bit more the last few weeks.

 

[Marshfly]

I am becoming more and more in love with my S&B Klassik 3-12x42 every time I shoot with it. If that scope didn't have limited travel I would sell everything else and put it on all of my hunting rifles.

Duplicate that with more travel. If you can save a couple of ounces, cool. Sounds like that is what this is looking like.

 

[aron]

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I appreciate everyone's feedback. It went way better than I could have imagined.

Does that mean pre orders start next month?

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[amassi]

I am becoming more and more in love with my S&B Klassik 3-12x42 every time I shoot with it. If that scope didn't have limited travel I would sell everything else and put it on all of my hunting rifles.

Duplicate that with more travel. If you can save a couple of ounces, cool. Sounds like that is what this is looking like.

Do you have the 3.2 or 4.8 mil versions?
I just got 2 back from s&b usa with the 4.8 retrofit. Shot them last weekend and they worked as they should


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[Marshfly]

Do you have the 3.2 or 4.8 mil versions?
I just got 2 back from s&b usa with the 4.8 retrofit. Shot them last weekend and they worked as they should


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Mine is brand new with the 4.8 mil travel.

 

[Reddish]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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Yes please.

 

[4th_point]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz

No, I would not buy it for $1500 sight unseen, or even commit unless the return policy is good and more details are provided.

Each of these items are vague, maybe intentionally, but I understand that they are meant to convey general characteristics so please don't get offended by this:

• "Good glass" needs better definition
• "Large eye box" needs better definition
• "Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use" needs better definition

My guess is that it'd need to be a killer scope for mechanical robustness and optical quality for $1500 with 12x. It'd likely be tough sell outside the Rok fan club.

And I second/third the earlier recommendation - whatever you do, don't call it the "Rok Scope".

Thanks for trying to make improvements in scopes though! I do appreciate it.

 

[Kimber7man]

Do you have the 3.2 or 4.8 mil versions?
I just got 2 back from s&b usa with the 4.8 retrofit. Shot them last weekend and they worked as they should


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I did the same with mine. They work great for me, 4.8 mils got me to 800 yards today.

 

[z987k]

I am becoming more and more in love with my S&B Klassik 3-12x42 every time I shoot with it. If that scope didn't have limited travel I would sell everything else and put it on all of my hunting rifles.

Duplicate that with more travel. If you can save a couple of ounces, cool. Sounds like that is what this is looking like.

Can you get a turret that dials on those?

 

[nrspence]

The gas gun and ELR guys somewhat do.

-J

Only in matches that you can’t dial.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Polls have no SEO value, and comments help prove a point.

I appreciate everyone's feedback. It went way better than I could have imagined.

If you posted the scope today I’d buy 2. My sheep gun is finished and waiting on a Maven that probably ducking Iranians in the Red Sea or being roughed up at dock worker protest

 

[Dave0317]

No, I would not buy it for $1500 sight unseen, or even commit unless the return policy is good and more details are provided.

Each of these items are vague, maybe intentionally, but I understand that they are meant to convey general characteristics so please don't get offended by this:

• "Good glass" needs better definition
• "Large eye box" needs better definition
• "Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use" needs better

I won’t buy sight unseen, but I’ll trust a good review or two if I can’t handle it first.

I agree with the first two points…but those are industry-wide issues, not specific to this post/project. Unless I’m mistaken, find me ANY manufacturer or even reviewer that has an actual measurable definition of “large eye box”.
So far that’s a point that is usually subjective and comparative. But I think we all have seen examples of cheaper variables that when at the top of their magnification range, eye box gets small. Avoiding that I would assume is the goal.

Good glass is definable. But at that price point and for the intended use, I can’t imagine it could be much of an actual concern that it won’t be good enough.

The last point, I will disagree and say, look for the Scope Evals here on Rokslide. “Form” explains the drops and 3,000 rounds test in depth and explains the rationale behind it very well. It’s a consistent and logical test that gives a good indication of scope performance and reliability.

 

[Marshfly]

Can you get a turret that dials on those?

Pretty sure you always could. Limited to 4.8 Mils though.