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More so the ones that don’t passI'd guess optics makers/sellers probably feel the same way.

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More so the ones that don’t passI'd guess optics makers/sellers probably feel the same way.
Possibly, but I'd tend to bet that none of them pay any attention to RS or any other optic forum for that matter.More so the ones that don’t pass![]()
Broke is broke. I know. I've been brokeTesting a Used scope is another variable regardless how you FEEL about it doesn't matter its a uncontrollable variable that Could likely influence the out come of the evaluation.
Not even close. Leupold is a brand with lots of models produced over decades.My pickup is the leupold of pickups…
If you ride an atv with a gun in a rack on it...
I'm not looking to get sucked into this back-and-forth by either side, but Form has pointed out at least once that scopes that pass all portions of the drop test do not exhibit loss of zero issues during the ride-along portion of the eval.
That is why you have to look at failure rates and type of failures and not just failures.Not even close. Leupold is a brand with lots of models produced over decades.
However, you are demonstrating part of the problem. Some people can break anything. It's up to you if you chose to drive the vehicle that won't stand up to you. The same is true for a scope. Buy what does what you need it to.
I bet we can find people that had very few of the issues you had with that same model ZR2, but also, we can find people who've had issues with a Toyota.
For scopes, it seems we are talking about small sample sizes for the most part. However, there are some here that insist all Leupolds will fail. Maybe they are right.
NO ONE SUGGESTED THAT.If “needed”, then explain the previous hundred years of hunting?
I appreciate the drops and think they represent exactly the way sights should evolve and the shift in what should be considered important. But to suggest you can’t use a non-dropped scope and have a lifetime of happy hunting simply ignores historical precedent. This is not an all or nothing factor.
Here you can read up on what is going on. We've already hashed out where your question is likely going btw. What is going on here is a data point for users to take into consideration, it is not the authoritative end all be all. Ideally the industry would rise to the occasion and develop a standard but that won't happen till its demanded by users.How many scopes of each model are tested?
I like this post, the kind we need more of to validate yet state differing points of view.NO ONE SUGGESTED THAT.I think we've beaten to death the fact that "most hunters shoot game at distances that it wouldn't matter if the scope had a notable zero shift". That also falls under, use what works for you. Just don't pretend that means scopes don't shift is the point. Dead animals at close ranges doesn't validate whether a scope shifts or not.
That’s a lot of reading. lolHere you can read up on what is going on. We've already hashed out where your question is likely going btw. What is going on here is a data point for users to take into consideration, it is not the authoritative end all be all. Ideally the industry would rise to the occasion and develop a standard but that won't happen till its demanded by users.
Scope Field Eval Explanation and Standards
This will be about the “why” of the field evaluations- specifically the drop “tests”. Let’s have a thought experiment. Let’s say you have spotted a buck across a valley, planned and executed a stalk which when you get to the last little knob up ahead, will put you within 400-450 yards of the...rokslide.com
How much zero shift is acceptable in a scope for close range hunters?What is close range considered? My lesser scopes have done it out to 400 yards for 30 years, with shift I assume. Folks know that is almost 1/4 of a mile. I don't know the number, what is the average distance big game is taken in the United States? I would bet it's on the near side of 400 yards and probably even closer than 300.
So I take it you're just trolling then? I mean for starters you are again asking something already asked/discussed in this thread a few times.That’s a lot of reading. lol
I’m going to assume it’s one scope? Or is it 10? 100?
I enjoy reading the scope drop test results. Given me pause a few times. But despite that, I’ll grab a leupold over a SWFA all day. Every day.
But…I also took a vx3hd off a rifle and am reading for a different scope.
All the time and that’s in the same shooting session with a 2.5-15 creedo. Every time I check my target and move it back another 100 meters I can count on an impact shift. But since I’m shooting off a pack in different positions with the wind picking up as the sun rises I could give a crap. I’m still good to 700 meters.How often do you check zero? How often is it off by ½" to 1" for no explainable reason?
These presumptuous and somewhat arrogant type posts always crack me up. IIRC, nobody from the mandatory drop test club has been with me when I zero, load test, or much less kill all the animals I kill. Pretending there's a shift from a "non approved" scope is laughable at best.NO ONE SUGGESTED THAT.I think we've beaten to death the fact that "most hunters shoot game at distances that it wouldn't matter if the scope had a notable zero shift". That also falls under, use what works for you. Just don't pretend that means scopes don't shift is the point. Dead animals at close ranges doesn't validate whether a scope shifts or not.