Why are American branded trucks and most American branded vehicles so unreliable?

[ChrisA]

You can't have issues if you trade them that often.

Well, they do have 70k to 100k when I do

 

[TSAMP]

With 15 years in manufacturing my opinion on unions has been shaped. I would not however, try and speculate as to the character of a person based on there participation in one. As one WKR to another we are better than this.

I'd buy you a Whiteclaw anyday of the week BRT.

 

[87TT]

This thread needs to be locked. It's going....................................................

 

[JjamesIII]

Conversely, why are Japanese trucks and vehicles so reliable?

What is your reliability experience with both American and Japanese trucks?

Chevy has been a huge disappointment for me once again. Second time it’s happened, I’m never getting another one. Probably going to burn some rice in the next rig.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Has Chevy figured out how to keep water out of the turn signals yet?

 

[fngTony]

Has Chevy figured out how to keep water out of the turn signals yet?

You’re asking for a lot, they just figured out how to make a reliable gas gauge.

 

[dirtytough]

Yeah I'm triggered, I'm a hard working American that ads value trys hard and does a good job.and has a good career with benefits and retirement that exceed pretty much every one.
But there are a few members in this thread that have implied im a low life worthless piece of shit because I pay dues.
I should quit my career to try and be as virtuous as you all because you think I'm the problem with America.

Awesome. Glad you believe you have a good career. You called people like me stupid since I don’t have representation, that I don’t need. Figured I would push back on that a little.

So I’m curious. If you aren’t in the top 10% seniority wise and they lay off 90% of the workforce will you keep your job?

Do they reward their best employees with raises/benefits that the rest of the employees don’t get?

Do you have to pay for that representation?

 

[ELKhunter60]

I appreciate your experience in the auto industry but how do you explain the horrible quality track record of Chrylser, GM and Chevy transmissions, Jeep death wobble, etc., etc.,?.....other than the be American buy American mindset. It appears those purchases had zero to do with buying for quality. And has been going on for many many years.

From what I see in stats and on the road, I don't think quality has much to do with many American auto purchases but rather the luxury factor, the cool factor and the American made factor. I've always wonder why the pressure is put on Americans to buy American instead of the pressure be on American makers to make better products.

Thank you Sapcut.

I don't profess to know every defect or recall situation but based on experience there are 3-4 things that can cause problematic vehicle issues.

1) A design with features that allow a product to fail. I know at Nissan we, (like most other OEM's) review the designs, test the designs in a lab environment subjecting it to specified performance requirements, and also send engineers out in the field with our first build vehicles to see how they do. We drive the mess out of them and send them to places like Alaska to the deserts in Arizona - attempting to find any potential concerns. All requirements are met before the vehicle is released. How poor designs make it past this type of testing.......I really don't know.

2) Manufacturing parts outside the design specification. If this happens, obviously it's possible that the part can fail. OEM's try to assure proper testing and inspection are being done during the manufacture or vehicle parts but whenever people are involved with a process, there is the possibility for something to go wrong.

3) Improper install at the assembly plant. Again, whenever people are involved with a process, it's possible for something to not be done properly. Nissan tests every vehicle on a performance track before it leaves the plant (at least in the US - can't speak for other plants, and they go through a shower test in an effort to determine is all of the door seals and other items are working properly before the vehicle ships.) I'm sure other OEM's do this but I can't say for certain.

It is my personal opinion no one should purchase a new vehicle and have any issues for the first 100,00 miles other than normal maintenance. After that is kind of depends on what was purchased and how it was treated and maintained. That part of the vehicle purchase equation is on the vehicle company.

To me, the second part of the equation belongs to the consumer. If a consumer goes out and purchases a vehicle without doing any homework ahead of time to see what people are saying about a product they are interested in, that's not a good practice. If they do their research and hear of issues but purchase the vehicle anyway - it is not their fault if something bad happens, but at the same time, they should not be surprised to run into those type of issues. An informed consumer can decide what risk/reward they are most comfortable with before making a vehicle purchase decision.

A simple example of what I'm trying to say is this. I was interested in a Fierce rifle. It looked cool, had the accuracy and weight requirements I was looking for in the price range I was comfortable with. After doing some research I saw where some people loved them, and some people hated them. I weighted all of that out and decided for myself to get a different rifle. Had I bought one, I still deserved a good, solid rifle but had I had issues, I should not have been shocked by having that experience (my opinion).

In the end - consumers decide if a company stays in business or not.

 

[5MilesBack]

Or maybe you all are virtuous Assholes that think your better then everybody. And enjoy putting people down.

Is calling folks "quitters" supposed to be a complement.....LOL?

 

[madgrad02]

Has Chevy figured out how to keep water out of the turn signals yet?

Likely just leaking blinker fluid...

 

[5MilesBack]

Well, they do have 70k to 100k when I do

There's a big difference between a less than 5 year old vehicle with 100k miles (especially if the majority is all highway), and say a 20 year old vehicle with 100k mostly city miles on it. From my perspective, a 7 year old vehicle is barely even broken in......LOL.

 

[Bearwhisky]

Conversely, why are Japanese trucks and vehicles so reliable?

What is your reliability experience with both American and Japanese trucks?

This was the case 10-20 years ago, I’m not sure how much it holds true anymore.


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[Yoder]

Yeah I'm triggered, I'm a hard working American that ads value trys hard and does a good job.and has a good career with benefits and retirement that exceed pretty much every one.
But there are a few members in this thread that have implied im a low life worthless piece of shit because I pay dues.
I should quit my career to try and be as virtuous as you all because you think I'm the problem with America.

I've worked with a lot of great people that were in unions. I've also had some pretty bad experiences. So has my father. He's also been threatened. I would bet the majority of people take pride in their work and do a good job. It's the people who don't that are protected by the union that give the whole thing a bad wrap. My biggest problem with the unions is that sometimes the pay does not line up with the skill needed for the job. That's where the $50/hr lug nut guy comes to mind. I also don't buy into seniority is king. That doesn't matter, It's just my opinion. God bless the guy making $50/hr to do something stupid. I could have chose to do the same thing and retired with a fat pension. I'm the "smart" one. I'll probably be eating cat food when my 401k tanks.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Disclaimer: I didn't read most of the 7 pages here but felt like I needed to report my findings. I changed jobs in 2017 and went from 20 years of a company vehicle to driving my own. I bought a new 2017 Silverado 1500 LTZ, then traded for a 2019 Silverado Trail Boss, then a 2021 Trail Boss with 6.2L, and now a 2023 Trail Boss 6.2L.

Other than a whistling mirror on the '21, which was replaced under warranty, I've had zero issues with these newer Chevys. I'll admit I was not a fan of the 8-speed transmission in the '19 but these new 10-speeds are nice; love the 6.2L engines too.

Lol almost all vehicles can last 2 years.


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[chindits]

I own a 2001 F250 and a 2000 Toyota Echo. No problems. Power steering pump is leaking a bit on the truck. Battery is pretty weak on the econo box.

But for hauling wood and hunting I’m happy with the truck. For driving around town and to the big city I’m happy with the econo box.

I did have a Toyota pickup once. It had bad body rot and I wore the leaf springs out hauling wood. I don’t really want another one unless I stop burning 4-6 cord a year.

I don’t take to all the fancy modern king cab truck’s with electric powered computer controlled everything and pretty boy paint job’s with diamond studded rims and oversized tires. Gimme an extended cab manual transmission wood rack sporting truck that will haul my wood trailer and I’ll be fine. Taint nuthn to be proud about just a tool to use.

 

[RedSnow]

4 runners/tundras are terrorists trucks and Toyota knowingly and purposely sold new trucks to ISIS and other terrorist organizations on many occasions. All you anti Americans need take a closer look in the mirror and decide if your anti American/union logic suits you or the people who would rather not see people unionize or demand better. The Japanese don't even make full size trucks? Man bun sized tonka trucks? Some of y'all living life back in 80s tv commercials.

 

[Jbrow327]

4 runners/tundras are terrorists trucks and Toyota knowingly and purposely sold new trucks to ISIS and other terrorist organizations on many occasions. All you anti Americans need take a closer look in the mirror and decide if your anti American/union logic suits you or the people who would rather not see people unionize or demand better. The Japanese don't even make full size trucks? Man bun sized tonka trucks? Some of y'all living life back in 80s tv commercials.

So you're calling ISIS smart for using Toyota trucks? I don't disagree. You go enjoy your Mexican made "American" truck bub.

 

[RedSnow]

So you're calling ISIS smart for using Toyota trucks? I don't disagree. You go enjoy your Mexican made "American" truck bub.

How is the hunting in Japan?

 

[Jbrow327]

How is the hunting in Japan?

ISIS stills uses Toyota trucks along with US special forces and your "American" truck is still made in Mexico. What does Japan and hunting have to do with any of this?

 

[RedSnow]

ISIS stills uses Toyota trucks along with US special forces and your "American" truck is still made in Mexico. What does Japan and hunting have to do with any of this?

Freedom. Or the lack of for the Japanese.