What if...

[Wyobohunter]

Do we? For instance, we haven't preserved many such as blacksmithing, butchering, personal gardens and livestock........I am not convinced the following generations need to preserve what we here consider important activities (hunting, fishing, etc). Only playing devils advocate, but many in the teenage years have no interest in hunting....

- My cousin and many other people have forges at home.
- Most of us butcher our own game animals.
- I have a garden.
- I have and know many people that raise livestock.

 

[bozeman]

- My cousin and many other people have forges at home.
- Most of of butcher our own game animals.
- I have a garden.
- I have and know many people that raise livestock.

Sample size of? Need to think bigger picture....what % of American citizens have forges at home, how many American citizens kill their own game, much less butcher it? What % have a garden/raise livestock? I live in rural AL and these are all common in my area, but I live in a community of 50, maybe 75 people. US population is hundreds of millions.......bigger picture mindset is needed.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Well I think the simple answer is mostly people have kids and they raise there kids to be in there image, and they want there kids to enjoy hunting as they do. And for most people that means you have to help preserve it for everyone or it will only be available for royalty.

Personally I don't have kids.

But I put alot of stock in being a constitutionalist putting what I believe to be the values our forefather intended for first.

Sure its way different and technology is different.

But when in faced with decisions that in alot of ways won't effect me because I don't have children, I always side with what I consider founding values. Being in a country when you are free to make the choices that lead to your outcome.
I believe people should be free to feed themselves if they have the notion.

Everyone gets all boo who about kids these days.
But I still believe in Americans there are underlying values, hardness and determination.

People didn't really think much about the 2000 era graduates ether, but look how many hard mother truckers stood up volunteering to do the hard work?
Its not in everyone but its there.

 

[5MilesBack]

Hunting???? Have you not been paying attention to what's going on in this country? Being able to hunt will be the least of our worries at some point soon. And my goodness......the current administration has appointed a government "Ministry of Truth" of all things. That will end well. You will not only be told what you can and cannot believe, say, or even think......you will eventually be told what you can and cannot do......period. By the way........anybody else think that this minister of truth is a dude, and not the woman that they claim it is?

 

[Gutshot007]

Eeeewwww ! Bloodsports . You actually touch and cut up that dead animal . I thought it just showed up wrapped in a nice little package. I heard Bill Gates say that in the future people would not eat meat, but some type of plant substitute. He commented "We'd get used to it". They way he said it sounded pretty arrogant. Like he was gonna decide what was on my menu for me. I can see a "widget"machine blobbing out perfectly shaped steaks
On a side note. I saw a lady hit a deer at the end of my driveway last week. I was on my way to work. Came home it was pulled to the edge of the road (didn't look to beat up) Told my son we'd grab some dinner and then see if we could salvage a little meat. Went to the end of the drive and it was gone . I think my neighbor grabbed. We fight over roadkill around here

 

[Wyobohunter]

Sample size of? Need to think bigger picture....what % of American citizens have forges at home, how many American citizens kill their own game, much less butcher it? What % have a garden/raise livestock? I live in rural AL and these are all common in my area, but I live in a community of 50, maybe 75 people. US population is hundreds of millions.......bigger picture mindset is needed.

I imagine the difference is mostly mostly rural vs urban. That probably hasn’t changed very much since the industrial revolution when many/most people (especially urbanites) became specialists instead of generalists. The saying “Jack of all trades, master of none” was originally considered a positive thing to say about someone. Industrialization changed that with factories and plants where people must learn a single repetitive skill and not have the time, energy or inclination to gain broad knowledge as that one skill allows the purchase of all other needs.

I’m not saying that very many rural households have forges. Very few do. Though we have the collective knowledge to build/utilize them were it to become necessary for some unforeseen reason. Lots of people have gardens, fewer butcher but again, enough people know how to do it that I very much doubt the skill will be lost. It’s not Latin.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Maybe I should clarify that last sentence. By saying “it’s not Latin” I mean that it isn’t an arcane skill with little utility. Butchering is pretty intuitive and of great utility.

 

[bozeman]

Eeeewwww ! Bloodsports . You actually touch and cut up that dead animal . I thought it just showed up wrapped in a nice little package. I heard Bill Gates say that in the future people would not eat meat, but some type of plant substitute. He commented "We'd get used to it". They way he said it sounded pretty arrogant. Like he was gonna decide what was on my menu for me. I can see a "widget"machine blobbing out perfectly shaped steaks
On a side note. I saw a lady hit a deer at the end of my driveway last week. I was on my way to work. Came home it was pulled to the edge of the road (didn't look to beat up) Told my son we'd grab some dinner and then see if we could salvage a little meat. Went to the end of the drive and it was gone . I think my neighbor grabbed. We fight over roadkill around here

Widget machine is here: tofu. I got roped into a tofu burger in southeast China on a work trip......literally the worst tasting thing I've ever tried to eat......it was shaped just like a burger patty. To this day, it almost makes me sick to think about it.......I clearly explained that in Alabama, our burgers are made from beef from a COW, which wasn't available.....then I ordered noodles.

 

[Laramie]

At least draw odds might improve...

 

[Gutshot007]

Hunting???? Have you not been paying attention to what's going on in this country? Being able to hunt will be the least of our worries at some point soon. And my goodness......the current administration has appointed a government "Ministry of Truth" of all things. That will end well. You will not only be told what you can and cannot believe, say, or even think......you will eventually be told what you can and cannot do......period. By the way........anybody else think that this minister of truth is a dude, and not the woman that they claim it is?

I don't know if she's a dude ,but look up her singing a Marry Poppin's song about disinformation. If it's a dude he hits the high notes quite well.

 

[Clovis]

In much of the country what we think of as "our hunting tradition" isn't much older than the end of WWII and (an admittedly important to me) form of leisure entertainment younger than my parents. I grew up in PA and it may be different elsewhere but the game was pretty much shot out by the end of the 1800s (no rules, no game commission and market hunting plus human development) and didn't rebound for quite a while and that did in a lot of continuous family hunting cultures even if your family was there since colonial days. If you read about the practices, ethics, etc. what hunting there was in the 1800s doesn't look much like what I learned as core hunting and conservation values. If there are still people and wild animals someone will no doubt be trying to kill and eat them, I'd bet on that, but beyond that enjoy what we have and fight to protect it and pass it on to anyone who wants it, but the world belongs to the living and who knows what they will want to/be able to do?

 

[Pony Soldier]

Growing up in a small town in Montana, hunting was a major part of our culture. After college I still lived rural but worked in Spokane. Deer hunting was a pasture away and there were always some around so the culture continued.

Elk was a differant issue. The season was short and focused everyone in the state into the woods together. Kind of like a lunatic convention. Shoulder to shoulder insanity and then they went home. I played at it for a couple of years but continued to go home to hunt with friends and family. The longer season gave you time to pick and choose when to hunt by the weather or time availability.

When Montana quit selling over the counter and I could no longer hunt every year I quit my federal job, sold my ranch and moved the family back to Montana. My washinton experience showed me that a short, crowded season didn't warrant the investment nessessary in guns, gear, stock and time in the woods to be successful.

My hunting season is a major piece of my life. For the majority, even in Montana, it is a week long party in a tent and a few miles of driving with a hangover. As my neighbor told me once about his extensive hunting camp- in 30 years they only killed two elk out of 30 people and they didn't invite those two guys ever again. Why should they. Their wives wouldn't cook the meat anyway . It was just going to get highgraded and turned into snackfood. I have been told many times that wild meat in the freezer is a sign of poverty so why would you do that.

I think our culture will just drift away to mechanized entertainment and the few of us that still hunt will die and not be replaced.

 

[Gutshot007]

Reading above posts to me it sounds like urban vs rural culture, passing tradition from generation to generation, and technology will have a significant impact on the survival of hunting. I realize there are people who loathe/hate hunting now. I wonder if we become more "civilized "(a sterile society ) 100 years from now, will most people look a hunting or killing an animal as a savage, horrific, barbaric act? Like " I cannot fathom people doing these terrible things ". Changing there names to hide from their great,great,great,great grandfathers terrible past. Then taking their protein pills and vitamins for supper.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Reading above posts to me it sounds like urban vs rural culture, passing tradition from generation to generation, and technology will have a significant impact on the survival of hunting. I realize there are people who loathe/hate hunting now. I wonder if we become more "civilized "(a sterile society ) 100 years from now, will most people look a hunting or killing an animal as a savage, horrific, barbaric act? Like " I cannot fathom people doing these terrible things ". Changing there names to hide from their great,great,great,great grandfathers terrible past. Then taking their protein pills and vitamins for supper.

Quite possibly. The Romans did things for entertainment that we’d consider unspeakable today. To them it was normal and they’d probably laugh at our delicate sensibilities. Much of our system originated with the Romans. Not too awfully long ago lots of people considered it natural to own other humans. Including many of the people that drafted the document we are supposed to be governed by. Today only a dimwit would consider either of those things ok.

Most of us already know those things, just pointing out that our values change and it isn’t always a bad thing.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Technology has killed us.
Most people need their phone to do ANYTHING.
My BIL; voted for Biden, drives a Tesla, doesnt know how to start a lawnmower
catch/clean a fish, kill/dress a deer, build a shelter,
or do much of anything else. Would never make it 24 hrs. in a survival
situation.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Technology has killed us.
Most people need their phone to do ANYTHING.
My BIL; voted for Biden, drives a Tesla, doesnt know how to start a lawnmower
catch/clean a fish, kill/dress a deer, build a shelter,
or do much of anything else. Would never make it 24 hrs. in a survival
situation.

Sounds like he’s surviving ok in the world if he can afford to pay a landscaper and buy a Tesla . Even if he’s deeply in debt or just let’s his lawn grow, I’m glad that many people don’t hunt and fish.

As a side thought. Imagine if we had to hunt and fish without the benefit of modern technology. I doubt many of us would be successful if we had to build our weapons out of natural materials that we harvested from our environment.

 

[displacedtexan]

Do we? For instance, we haven't preserved many such as blacksmithing, butchering, personal gardens and livestock........I am not convinced the following generations need to preserve what we here consider important activities (hunting, fishing, etc). Only playing devils advocate, but many in the teenage years have no interest in hunting....

That's exactly my point.

The "preserve the tradition" mantra is repeated ad naseaum by so many in the hunting community.

Things only hold as much value as there is demand.

 

[Wyobohunter]

By the way........anybody else think that this minister of truth is a dude, and not the woman that they claim it is?

Does it matter if it’s a man or woman? Not trying to provoke you; I’m just curious how it relates.

 

[FLATHEAD]

Widget machine is here: tofu. I got roped into a tofu burger in southeast China on a work trip......literally the worst tasting thing I've ever tried to eat......it was shaped just like a burger patty. To this day, it almost makes me sick to think about it.......I clearly explained that in Alabama, our burgers are made from beef from a COW, which wasn't available.....then I ordered noodles.

Met my first tofu burger at the Birmingham Zoo.
Those things should be illegal.

 

[Btaylor]

Sounds like he’s surviving ok in the world if he can afford to pay a landscaper and buy a Tesla . Even if he’s deeply in debt or just let’s his lawn grow, I’m glad that many people don’t hunt and fish.

As a side thought. Imagine if we had to hunt and fish without the benefit of modern technology. I doubt many of us would be successful if we had to build our weapons out of natural materials that we harvested from our environment.

And some would be hella more popular than they are today.