What does it take to kill a grizzly?

[atmat]

Why match bullets? See we already have an issue!

Because no one is advertising using FMJ or outdated bullet technology in the 223.

We’re comfortable using the 223 because of improvements in bullets.

 

[Formidilosus]

But I've never experienced this! Do you see the point? We can literally all do this for 5yrs straight and still not get a general consensus.

Have you ever parachuted from a plane and had a parachute fail to open? If not- (because it hasn’t happened to you) does that mean that parachutes don’t fail to open?


“It hasn’t happened to me” is not a logical position in an argument.

 

[medvedyt]

I've never seen a bear go farther than 3 steps when shot with a 375ruger...tracks a few shot with 30 cal and 7mm.

the exact reason i got rid of it never experienced a difference with a 9.3x62 in kill effect, some can object the same can be said with the 338-06 and 35 whelen. use what you like and what you believe in up to the time you cange your faith ...

 

[Luke S]

My plans to hunt a grizzly with a .223 didn't work out and I'm still not loving the .223 AR that I do have. It needs a bit of work before I'll use it an longer range.
I'm currently pretty content with my .308 and 6.5 Grendal. This winter I might work on a .223 project to try for the spring.
I know the Tikka is the easy button for a hunting rifle. The problem is I do a LOT of "hiking" where I would like a rifle but I don't want to lug around a full sized "hunting" rifle. So I toying with the idea of a .223 "Backpacking" rifle. The idea would be something as light as possible in .223. I'd handload low powered rounds for grouse and ptarmigan and have full power 77 g TMKs for opportunistically hunting bears.
Ideas I'm playing with include

• An AR15 pistol in .223
• A really light AR like the UltraUltralight builds.
• A bolt action of some kind...

I really would prefer a bolt action .223 with either a red dot or the SWFA UL 2.5-10 scope on it. I'm thinking a Howa Mini action might be the way to go. Probably a MYOG stock, aftermarket bottom metal and an Timney trigger. If that solves all the issues with Howas it might be the way forward. Again this would not be my main hunting rifle, it would have too many compromises in favor of light weight to be a long range gun. But something that could kill a grouse at 20 feet or a summer black bear at 200 yards and in would get toted around a lot more than my other rifles.

 

[Big_wals]

My plans to hunt a grizzly with a .223 didn't work out and I'm still not loving the .223 AR that I do have. It needs a bit of work before I'll use it an longer range.
I'm currently pretty content with my .308 and 6.5 Grendal. This winter I might work on a .223 project to try for the spring.
I know the Tikka is the easy button for a hunting rifle. The problem is I do a LOT of "hiking" where I would like a rifle but I don't want to lug around a full sized "hunting" rifle. So I toying with the idea of a .223 "Backpacking" rifle. The idea would be something as light as possible in .223. I'd handload low powered rounds for grouse and ptarmigan and have full power 77 g TMKs for opportunistically hunting bears.
Ideas I'm playing with include

• An AR15 pistol in .223
• A really light AR like the UltraUltralight builds.
• A bolt action of some kind...

I really would prefer a bolt action .223 with either a red dot or the SWFA UL 2.5-10 scope on it. I'm thinking a Howa Mini action might be the way to go. Probably a MYOG stock, aftermarket bottom metal and an Timney trigger. If that solves all the issues with Howas it might be the way forward. Again this would not be my main hunting rifle, it would have too many compromises in favor of light weight to be a long range gun. But something that could kill a grouse at 20 feet or a summer black bear at 200 yards and in would get toted around a lot more than my other rifles.

You should check out @Thegman ultralight ultralight rifle thread. Some very cool builds on there.

 

[Luke S]

Yes I've seen Thegman's rifle thread. I just prefer bolt actions that are a bit more "streamlined" for easy carry. Maybe the UL UL rifle would be so light I wouldn't mind the awkward shape but we'll have to see. My wife and I really like our Savage Rascal 22 rifle for small game. Its so easy to carry we almost always have it with us now. The AR pistol is a step up in weight and bulk and the .308 is a real step up. You don't want to lug it around if you aren't really planning to hunt. A 4 poundish bolt action in 6mm ARC 6.5 Grendal, or .223 would be fantastic for us.

 

[ElPollo]

Yes I've seen Thegman's rifle thread. I just prefer bolt actions that are a bit more "streamlined" for easy carry. Maybe the UL UL rifle would be so light I wouldn't mind the awkward shape but we'll have to see. My wife and I really like our Savage Rascal 22 rifle for small game. Its so easy to carry we almost always have it with us now. The AR pistol is a step up in weight and bulk and the .308 is a real step up. You don't want to lug it around if you aren't really planning to hunt. A 4 poundish bolt action in 6mm ARC 6.5 Grendal, or .223 would be fantastic for us.

I think there would be a really good market for a 223-length, slick action, ultralight bolt gun that takes AR mags. No one has really gotten there yet.

 

[wyosam]

I think there would be a really good market for a 223-length, slick action, ultralight bolt gun that takes AR mags. No one has really gotten there yet.

The AR mags would be a big downside to me for something like that. Takes away from the smooth lines that make something like that nice to carry. Especially if you happen to want to single hand carry it at times.


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[North River]

My plans to hunt a grizzly with a .223 didn't work out and I'm still not loving the .223 AR that I do have. It needs a bit of work before I'll use it an longer range.
I'm currently pretty content with my .308 and 6.5 Grendal. This winter I might work on a .223 project to try for the spring.
I know the Tikka is the easy button for a hunting rifle. The problem is I do a LOT of "hiking" where I would like a rifle but I don't want to lug around a full sized "hunting" rifle. So I toying with the idea of a .223 "Backpacking" rifle. The idea would be something as light as possible in .223. I'd handload low powered rounds for grouse and ptarmigan and have full power 77 g TMKs for opportunistically hunting bears.
Ideas I'm playing with include

• An AR15 pistol in .223
• A really light AR like the UltraUltralight builds.
• A bolt action of some kind...

I really would prefer a bolt action .223 with either a red dot or the SWFA UL 2.5-10 scope on it. I'm thinking a Howa Mini action might be the way to go. Probably a MYOG stock, aftermarket bottom metal and an Timney trigger. If that solves all the issues with Howas it might be the way forward. Again this would not be my main hunting rifle, it would have too many compromises in favor of light weight to be a long range gun. But something that could kill a grouse at 20 feet or a summer black bear at 200 yards and in would get toted around a lot more than my other rifles.

this. I’ve been on a search for the same thing. The good old 30-30 m94 or 99 Savage carbine is really close. But tough to switch ammo and to get the precision I want. That’s what started it for me tho. A modern 30-30.

My Grendel AR filled that role for a number of years. But too many malfunctions, and loud loading and unloading…. Right now a RAR carbine in Grendel is filling the position as I have a ton of Grendel ammo to use up.

I have a solo 300 on the way. 9” bbl ‘pistol’ in 300 blackout. Might be a good option. We will see. It will solve the loud charging issue, the gas in the face with a suppressor, and the switching to low power rounds without cycling issue. This is an important one because like Luke S, I often use my rifle for small edible animals and larger ones in the same day. I shot two ptarmigan with the Grendel today….

Probably THE answer is 223 - enough for larger game and cheap bullets. Easy and cheap to make lighter 22LR to 22 hornet level loads for small game. Probably needs to be bolt action for reliability and precision. 500 yard accurate for plinking, 300 yard velocity retention for killing. If it could be suppressed, 5lbs, and under 30 inches… perfect!

 

[BA_Crosho]

Using a gun vs a grizzly is for boys, reel men use their bear hands

 

[Thegman]

this. I’ve been on a search for the same thing. The good old 30-30 m94 or 99 Savage carbine is really close. But tough to switch ammo and to get the precision I want. That’s what started it for me tho. A modern 30-30.

My Grendel AR filled that role for a number of years. But too many malfunctions, and loud loading and unloading…. Right now a RAR carbine in Grendel is filling the position as I have a ton of Grendel ammo to use up.

I have a solo 300 on the way. 9” bbl ‘pistol’ in 300 blackout. Might be a good option. We will see. It will solve the loud charging issue, the gas in the face with a suppressor, and the switching to low power rounds without cycling issue. This is an important one because like Luke S, I often use my rifle for small edible animals and larger ones in the same day. I shot two ptarmigan with the Grendel today….

Probably THE answer is 223 - enough for larger game and cheap bullets. Easy and cheap to make lighter 22LR to 22 hornet level loads for small game. Probably needs to be bolt action for reliability and precision. 500 yard accurate for plinking, 300 yard velocity retention for killing. If it could be suppressed, 5lbs, and under 30 inches… perfect!

I've been loading "grouse loads" for years in 30-06, 308, 300 HAM’R, 300BO and 223. 233 works better than the rest. I'm using Speer 46 grain FP for the 223 at around 22LR velocities.

I think with something like 77TMKs for big game, and light bullets for small game, the 223 is the best option for the lightweight "do all" rifle.