What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[GraveyardNRSE]

New York is building an additional 4 more hospitals. I believe they have north of 12K positive cases. Alot of New yorkers are not listening to the quarantine order and the Governor said that 80% will become infected if they don't abide by the order. The numbers are telling and the virus is spreading. What am I missing that some people don't believe the numbers or this is not a big deal? I'm honestly dumbfounded.

 

[Trial153]

Coast to Coast AM has come to rokslide

 

[Obi-wanshinobi]

All the death and infection rates can be manipulated and misleading. Test 5x more people and guess what? You get a higher # of infected people. If someone has a severe existing condition then what actually killed that person? If someone has 2-4 other severe existing conditions then how do you say kung flu did it?

I keep seeing a few months as a timeline for this to peak here in the USA....right next door to me, next county over is going under 30 day stay at home order in 36 hours. If that gets extended to 60 days it is going to cripple people economically. Not sure how any small businesses will survive that. The government cannot help all those people enough for them to stay in business. If they suspend everyone payments for 60 days guess what? They will still owe that $ plus have to pay the new bills after kung flu....

Plus this is not a local event, it is global......it may become e-z to justify a world government and world currency after this is done...and what about next winter? When the newest virus comes out of china? Crush the economy again?

Bingo.

 

[rodney482]

Rand Paul has the “Rona”

 

[EastMT]

LA just said they aren’t testing everyone with symptoms now, if they are severe needing more than self quarantine they won’t waste the resources.

 

[jmez]

Flattening the curve simply prolongs the curve. Unless you change the area under the curve you just string it out.

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[jmez]

LA just said they aren’t testing everyone with symptoms now, if they are severe needing more than self quarantine they won’t waste the resources.

That what pretty much the entire world is doing. That is why the numbers are pretty well meaningless.

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[MattB]

Is there data to prove the efficacy of something like closing schools? Likely just conjecture. Here the kids are being cared for by grandparents so the parents can work. This seems counterproductive.

Do you honestly need data to buy into the notion that less personal contact reduces the spread of a disease that is passed through personal contact?

 

[Backyard]

Flattening the curve simply prolongs the curve. Unless you change the area under the curve you just string it out.

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Correct. But it lessens the daily burden on the emergency services. If everyone that is going to get this gets it at the same time it would overwhelm our healthcare system to the point where they would be rendered useless. This way if we "flatten the curve" it will at least give them a better chance to help us through this.

 

[MattB]

Flattening the curve simply prolongs the curve. Unless you change the area under the curve you just string it out.

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Steepening the curve would result in needless deaths by overwhelming the medical system. I though that was well-understood by now?

Flattening the curve also permits time for the medical community to learn how to treat the disease so people who are further out the curve may have better outcomes.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

The most important thing with a pandemic is buying time and spreading cases out. Ripping the band-aid off and getting it over with all at once, either intentionally or unintentionally, is not an option. That would increase the number of deaths and the chance for complete economic collapse exponentially.

 

[roosiebull]

All the death and infection rates can be manipulated and misleading. Test 5x more people and guess what? You get a higher # of infected people.

you would also get a much higher survival rate..... I think the type of testing is very much related to the severity of the virus.... we are only seeing people tested that are likely to have it (relatively) so all of the rest of the people including the 80% that experience little to no symptoms are not added in to the survival rate..... only those who are really sick, or exposed to those infected is our baseline..... that gives a different feel than the realistic big picture....that alone makes it seem more grim.

i'm skeptical still about how coronavirus stacks up to other things we haven't batted an eye at in the past. obviously Italy proves this can be devastating in certain environments, but if we didn't know this was coronavirus in the US, would hospitals be getting overwhelmed, or would they send way more people home saying to rest and stay hydrated?

there is absolutely a hype train connected to this virus, and i'm having a hard time sorting out how bad this is because of that.

one things that still adds to my skepticism is the material the media covers, and how they cover it.

I am taking it seriously, and doing my part, being skeptical doesn't mean careless..... I myself am treating it as being very serious, because the backlash from this IS serious at the very least..... I am very curious how this will all look in hindsight.... hopefully we can see that picture sooner than later.

 

[MtnOyster]

Watching news reports right now and our states are bidding and fighting against each other trying to get equipment and battle gear for their hospitals .......not good folks......not good.........this thing has really caught us off guard, after this is over I bet we completely Change the way we handle any kind of virus outbreak.

 

[Dos Perros]

Do you honestly need data to buy into the notion that less personal contact reduces the spread of a disease that is passed through personal contact?

That’s not the data I’m asking for. You assume the policy leads to less personal contact. I can’t jump to that conclusion. In my experience as I mentioned the policy shift only leads to the vulnerable having more direct contact, not less.

 

[MattB]

That’s not the data I’m asking for. You assume the policy leads to less personal contact. I can’t jump to that conclusion. In my experience as I mentioned the policy shift only leads to the vulnerable having more direct contact, not less.

So let me get this straight: absent data, you are unable to form an opinion on whether kids going to school have more personal contact than kids not going to school? But you presumably have enough data to have concluded that the ONLY thing the policy shift leads to is the vulnerable having more direct contact?

 

[Coveyleader]

Whole thing is getting blown out of proportion, politicized, etc. The amount of money lost, business closed, about to be closed forever, life savings gone. And for what?

America is soft, beyond soft. Now more than ever It pains me to think of what those young guys gave up on those foreign beaches. Take a look around......This?

 

[orionthehunter1]

^^^bingo^^^

 

[5MilesBack]

Watching news reports right now and our states are bidding and fighting against each other trying to get equipment and battle gear for their hospitals .......not good folks......not good.........this thing has really caught us off guard, after this is over I bet we completely Change the way we handle any kind of virus outbreak.

Dude, stop watching the media reports, relax, go outside, and enjoy the fresh air. This media panic will kill you.

 

[aggieland]

401K's for the older generation gone with the wind.. Retirement for many wiped away ..

 

[GraveyardNRSE]

Whole thing is getting blown out of proportion, politicized, etc. The amount of money lost, business closed, about to be closed forever, life savings gone. And for what?

America is soft, beyond soft. Now more than ever It pains me to think of what those young guys gave up on those foreign beaches. Take a look around......This?

Blown out of proportion? Very interesting. Lets find all the people's families that have died from this disease and one by one I want you to tell that that this was blown out of proportion, politicized, etc.
No amount of money can bring them back. I just saw that a 7 month old has it now. Quite a few on this thread are understanding of this process and properly educated. However, I'm blown away by some of the comments that spew out of the mouths of the uneducated.