What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[ewade07]

There is a mountain of empirical evidence compiled in a thousand different scientific research papers on this subject.

Why do you think politicians do what they do?

You have your opinion and i have mine.

 

[String&stick]

I think mass testing early would have been great. . . Like S. Korea, because you could isolate anyone positive and slow/stop the spread.

But we've hit a point where the testing is almost a joke, if you have to be that sick to get a test why not just diagnose based on symptoms and rule out by testing for other illness.

The U.S. system has botched this completely. No. No. No. I'm not saying Trump is the one to blame. But he does have plenty of blame that needs laid at his feet, for down playing things and delaying preparation.

The news media, the CDC, the FDA, and a few others have a heaping mound of blame to be piled on them as well. If they would have had some foresight, this mess could have been so much more controlled it's not even funny.

We still don't have testing supplies that are anywhere near adequate, the FDA is still allowing red tape to slow certain things, and we are reaching or have already hit a tipping point where we won't slow this down much.

Trump is in full propaganda mode as to how he handled this from the start AND SO IS EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT BOTH DEM AND REPUBLICAN. We the people are the ones that will get screwed here. And if they aren't already every political will be singing their own praises as to how they helped save all is little folk!

 

[S.Clancy]

Universal testing is not feasible and will not be done ... only those with 'symptoms' will be/should be tested per Dr. Fauci /Task Force .........

And yet, South Korea tested

Universal testing is not feasible and will not be done ... only those with 'symptoms' will be/should be tested per Dr. Fauci /Task Force .........

It may not matter in the NE, Cali, Washington where they are nearly overrun, but in the rest of the country where case loads are small extensive testing will work to stop the spread, a la S. Korea

 

[jmez]

You also can't put trackers on people and banish them to their homes in an open democracy. Both things S. Korea did that won't happen in this country. You can tell them to stay home, that is it.

Testing would only be effective in slowing the spread if you can force compliance. You aren't going to stop the spread, that is impossible, especially with a novel virus.

It's a bit of a catch 22. The more you slow the spread the longer you deal with the outbreak.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

According to Dr Birx and Dr Fauci on the coronavirus task force, data out of Italy is showing twice as many men dying from this as women. Similar info has been reported out of China since the beginning of all this as well.

 

[fatbacks]

regarding testing. My wife is a doctor and in charge of setting up drive through testing for their clinic which is the biggest clinic in town and part of the hospital. They do not have enough tests to test everyone. Say a family comes in with a presumptive positive, they will test mom or dad and then just assume the rest of the family/household members are positive/negative given the test results.

The state of Alaska wants everyone tested because they are focused on numbers but it aint gonna happen - not enough test supplies.

 

[EastMT]

I was just listening to a radio interview, they think this will go on for months. Lockdown for 4-8 weeks, cases draw down. Then go back, when cases hit a certain number lockdown again. Continue this until we have herd immunity. This could be a long haul. Hope you used a flatbed for TP Hahahaha

 

[S.Clancy]

I was just listening to a radio interview, they think this will go on for months. Lockdown for 4-8 weeks, cases draw down. Then go back, when cases hit a certain number lockdown again. Continue this until we have herd immunity. This could be a long haul. Hope you used a flatbed for TP Hahahaha

That is the preferred scenario over single peak, 5-10% mortality rate from overburdened health care system.

 

[ODB]

Did they say why? Some of these rules seem increasingly counterproductive.

Non-essential pt counts are down but they want to keep staff available. They also think having a hospital member touching buttons will help stop spread (they actually said this), but of course that just endangers staff.

consider this...one of her co-workers is immune suppressed. They wanted her to do the buttons...she said no because she is as higher risk. They said YES YOU WILL. She went to the HR director, explained things and they said tell the supervisor to pound sand.

You have to understand there is so much bureaucracy in healthcare no one thinks - they just point to the page and say, •this is what it says, right here.” No matter how illogical

 

[204guy]

I don't have any insider information, and think mass testing would be great, but my understanding is the tests AND the lab people capable of running them aren't there. If it's as communicable as said, mass testing would also cause positives to skyrocket probably causing more panic. IMO one possible good scenario is it is far far more widespread than the known confirmed cases, and the severe cases and alarming #'s are highly biased towards those who are getting the most sick because they're the only ones being tested. However social distancing is still our most viable strategy to flatten the curve.

 

[jmez]

^^^ True. Mass testing the case numbers would skyrocket. The fatality and severe case rates would fall significantly.

 

[aggieland]

Lets think about this example:
Er Protocol may be like this: Every pt that has shows up and checked in outside the facility showing any symptoms needs a CT scan of their chest in a exterior room ct scanner to rule out pneumonia from this disease..
Ok, first off every pt is being placed one by one into the same 25×15 room then having the door closed while laying on the same ct scanner,. (Yes, the table etc is wiped down etc)
The Radiology technician is being exposed to every pt throughout the day.
I told my parents unless you are just bad sick stay the hell away from the ER, hospital, or "testing" centers.

 

[aggieland]

^^^ True. Mass testing the case numbers would skyrocket. The fatality and severe case rates would fall significantly.

100% agree if we were testing for this like we do the Flu then numbers would skyrocket.. And even with Flu swabs many many times they come back negative from a poor swabs or what have you then on a second or third attempt it shows a positive.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

VP Pence said on live TV this morning that they believe this virus is 3x more contagious than the flu.

 

[MtnOyster]

2010 my area went through an ice storm that disabled the power in a 70 mile radius that covered several towns for just over a month no power meant no water in those towns after about 3 days and no working sewer system in none of them, couldn’t pump gas either, grocery stores set idle for nearly a week before a few had generators that were capable of running the stores, people with signs in windows that said “help”.......unfortunately we got to see what total chaos and Panic really looks like for a while Here. 31 days before power was turned on at my house and we made it just fine.

Our bigger cities are gonna suffer from panic buying and it will trickle down to the smaller ones, I think some of us preppers will do fine but some are gonna be in trouble.
Let’s hope our Dr’s , nurses, all food service, groceries, truckers, utilities , communications and gas station attendants stay healthy these are the things this country needs on a daily basis

 

[MattB]

Broad-based testing is particularly important for this virus given the relatively high % who are infected but asymptomatic - who otherwise would be out and about unwittingly spreading the virus.

Testing those who already show symptoms, especially when the general recommendation is to self-quarantine and take OTC meds to treat the symptoms, doesn't seem like the best use for limited testing resources if the goal is to stop the spread of the disease.

 

[Billinsd]

South Korea was prepared for this, because they botched the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, MERS epidemic 5 years ago. They learned hard lessons and have done an excellent job handling the virus now, it appears. South Korea has a lot of test kits, because they learned from MERS and stockpiled them for a future virus. When the Corona Virus appeared in China, Trump was being impeached under phoney, bogus circumstances, which distracted Trump and the country. Of course China takes the lion share of the blame for letting the virus out of China. Trump is doing an excellent job in spite of the clear and present threat by some members of the press. He's the right man at the right time, he reminds me of the equally flawed Churchill.

 

[MtnOyster]

South Korea was prepared for this, because they botched the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, MERS epidemic 5 years ago. They learned hard lessons and have done an excellent job handling the virus now, it appears. South Korea has a lot of test kits, because they learned from MERS and stockpiled them for a future virus. When the Corona Virus appeared in China, Trump was being impeached under phoney, bogus circumstances, which distracted Trump and the country. Of course China takes the lion share of the blame for letting the virus out of China. Trump is doing an excellent job in spite of the clear and present threat by some members of the press. He's the right man at the right time, he reminds me of the equally flawed Churchill.

Good point here^^^^^ while all hell was breaking loose in other countries with this virus PELOSI and the rest of her cronies tried a joke of an impeachment trial that our whole nation knew was a joke, it definitely contributed to us getting farther behind the ball here..

 

[Billinsd]

I think mass testing early would have been great. . . Like S. Korea, because you could isolate anyone positive and slow/stop the spread.

South Korea learned after they botched their response to MERS 5 years ago and stockpiled test kits and other equipment for the next virus outbreak. We've never experienced anything like this and will certainly be better prepared in the future.

 

[tdot]

Lets think about this example:
Er Protocol may be like this: Every pt that has shows up and checked in outside the facility showing any symptoms needs a CT scan of their chest in a exterior room ct scanner to rule out pneumonia from this disease..
Ok, first off every pt is being placed one by one into the same 25×15 room then having the door closed while laying on the same ct scanner,. (Yes, the table etc is wiped down etc)
The Radiology technician is being exposed to every pt throughout the day.
I told my parents unless you are just bad sick stay the hell away from the ER, hospital, or "testing" centers.

They are using bed side ultrasound in Italy to look at people's chest. Faster, easier to sterilize, much easier to deal with, more units available, can be done outside the hospital in temporary triage centers.