Vortex has no value.

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Drenalin said:
Dear Moderators,

You took Alone Guy from us. You took the Turkey Bowmaster guy from us. Somebody scared Wilderness Master away. BinoDino isn't the entertainment we want, but he's what we have now and it's a long off season. Please don't take him away from us too.

Signed,
Various Roksliders (I can't keep up with all the titles any more)
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I don’t know. The ones you listed were actually funny. This guy is not really that funny. I vote we send him packing and make room for someone else.
 
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Drenalin said:
I didn't want to derail the thread earlier, but since that happened anyway I've got a question:

What is the need for a 65mm spotting scope for target archery? How far are you guys shooting? I'm obviously not a target archer and genuinely curious.
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Common in Olympic recurve.

Also in Fita 50m.
 
svivian said:
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ohh the irony..
You hate on Vortex as much as I do

Vortex ranger 1500

Two weeks ago I received the new vortex ranger 1500 and since a lot of stores haven't had them for sale yet I thought I would post a review. In general not a lot has changed from the 1000 model to the 1500. The appearance and feel is exactly the same as shown in the side by side picture. It also...
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"viper glass I can't justify spending $1200 on $400 glass with a rangefinder that could be unreliable."

Vortex Fury Rangefinding Binoculars

Vortex is coming out with a new rangefinding binocular. Link to details is below: Vortex Optics - Fury HD Binoculars For the price I would certainly like to buy a pair but buying the first edition of anything can be a risk. Any thoughts on them?
rokslide.com rokslide.com
"No one on here are reviewing vipers or diamnondbacks and if it is suggested it's always said save your money and buy better. Vortex isn't selling to you they are selling to the average joe who doesn't want to spend a lot."

Vortex PSA / Need to vent

Lol, Roger, avoid the cleaning. Yeah I live in the mid-range optic world. All of my glass is leupold, vortex, and trijicon. Everyone around me thinks I have premium optics and I'm just like, you have no idea. Lol. Nothing wrong with any of that. I run vx3’s on all my rifles. No need to get...
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"When vortex switched from Japan to Chinese there was a drop in quality control imo."

Vortex China vs Japanese models

Has anyone noticed a difference really? I was able to use some new razors (China) and I thought they were great. Liked them better than my Mavens. I know China typically means “cheap” but has anyone really seen anything wrong with theses models? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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etc..nuff is nuff funny guy

It's like making fun of your buddy that his wife sleeps around but you never mention yours is too

Vortex army @ work..and no i aint try to be funny just pinpointing your hypocrisy
 
BinoDino said:
ohh the irony..
You hate on Vortex as much as I do

Vortex ranger 1500

Two weeks ago I received the new vortex ranger 1500 and since a lot of stores haven't had them for sale yet I thought I would post a review. In general not a lot has changed from the 1000 model to the 1500. The appearance and feel is exactly the same as shown in the side by side picture. It also...
rokslide.com rokslide.com
"viper glass I can't justify spending $1200 on $400 glass with a rangefinder that could be unreliable."

Vortex Fury Rangefinding Binoculars

Vortex is coming out with a new rangefinding binocular. Link to details is below: Vortex Optics - Fury HD Binoculars For the price I would certainly like to buy a pair but buying the first edition of anything can be a risk. Any thoughts on them?
rokslide.com rokslide.com
"No one on here are reviewing vipers or diamnondbacks and if it is suggested it's always said save your money and buy better. Vortex isn't selling to you they are selling to the average joe who doesn't want to spend a lot."

Vortex PSA / Need to vent

Lol, Roger, avoid the cleaning. Yeah I live in the mid-range optic world. All of my glass is leupold, vortex, and trijicon. Everyone around me thinks I have premium optics and I'm just like, you have no idea. Lol. Nothing wrong with any of that. I run vx3’s on all my rifles. No need to get...
rokslide.com rokslide.com
"When vortex switched from Japan to Chinese there was a drop in quality control imo."

Vortex China vs Japanese models

Has anyone noticed a difference really? I was able to use some new razors (China) and I thought they were great. Liked them better than my Mavens. I know China typically means “cheap” but has anyone really seen anything wrong with theses models? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
rokslide.com rokslide.com

etc..nuff is nuff funny guy

It's like making fun of your buddy that his wife sleeps around but you never mention yours is too

Vortex army @ work..and no i aint try to be funny just pinpointing your hypocrisy
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Maybe if you took the time to read some of these threads you wouldn't have spent full MSRP on vortex

Also not sure what point your trying to prove other than solidify what everyone on here has been saying?

Good Job though finally figuring out that search feature! bet that would have came in handy sooner :ROFLMAO:
 
BinoDino said:
Apples to apples. How can I even address his argument when he trying to imply I might crash swaro market? How can I explain that his argument is faulty when the sale I found is not a manufacturer one , like vortex, but rather a vendor one? I used a dumb reply to a dumb argument
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You’re complaining about other people doing the same thing you are doing, getting stuff for significantly below MAP then when they sell it significantly below MAP more people only want to pay that price as that’s the going rate.

The Vortex scope you paid $1,800 for normally sells for $1,300 pretty much everywhere and could be bought for as little as $900 from some vendors special sales. That’s the reason you couldn’t sell it for more than $900, if more vendors offered similar sales on Swarovski you’d see the same thing happen.
 
svivian said:
Maybe if you took the time to read some of these threads you wouldn't have spent full MSRP on vortex

Also not sure what point your trying to prove other than solidify what everyone on here has been saying?

Good Job though finally figuring out that search feature! bet that would have came in handy sooner :ROFLMAO:
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hypocrisy:
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
The point is you hate vortex as much as I do. What you do is trolling. You act like my complaints are unfounded and petty when you actually pinpointed the same issues with the brand, for years now
Stop acting all mighty and try to out me.... we are made from the same mold and I doubt you can join that guy's camp either..At least we can start our own camp
 
BinoDino said:
hypocrisy:
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
The point is you hate vortex as much as I do. What you do is trolling. You act like my complaints are unfounded and petty when you actually pinpointed the same issues with the brand, for years now
Stop acting all mighty and try to out me.... we are made from the same mold and I doubt you can join that guy's camp either..At least we can start our own camp
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BinoDino said:
you are correct. I value something based of reselling value. That's my trade, that's what I thought I was good at ..before getting the Vortex.

The coach recommended only Vortex. I believe he was getting kickbacks from them. Most likely he was , seeing how other coaches told me they can get it for 50% brand new and I made my purchase through the coach. I did receive a brand new product but the transaction was through a middle man.
Yes, I'm replacing the coach as well:)
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I'd poke coach in the eye
 
nobody said:
Agree with everyone else above. Vortex holds tremendous value in the market and has a large market share, but the value holds differently than Swaro (which, after several years in the industry, I could argue that Swaro is disgustingly OVER valued in the marketplace, but that's a different conversation and you didn't ask that question). The Alpha's NEVER go on sale, so people are forced to pay full retail for them, so buying used is the only equivalent to purchasing an alpha class optic on sale that a guy can get. All the other brands go on periodic sale throughout the year for every major holiday, so because of that, it's easy to get 20-ish percent off on Vortex optics if you have the patience of a petulant toddler. The same goes for Leupold, Maven, Bushnell, Burris, I could go on and on.

As an example, let's say you want a pair of 10x42 Razor HD binos. They're about a grand full retail. During June or July, can't remember which month, Sportsman's Warehouse has their "Vortex Month," where you can get a gift card with every Vortex optic purchase. It all depends on the retail price, but the Razor HD's typically come with a $150 gift card if I remember correctly. So essentially, you're getting those razor's for $850 on that sale. You could use them for a year and sell them for about $750-$800. So while you've lost $250 relative to full retail price, you've only lost about $100 on that year of ownership. That's about 12.5% investment loss over the course of ownership.

Just checked our local classifieds, there's a pair of SLC's for sale right now for $900.00 in the original box and strap and the winged eyecups as a bonus. Mathematically, it looks like those lost a greater percentage of their retail value when compared with the Razor HD's above.

Then there's the issue of the Birdie Tax with Swaro too. Swaro discontinued the SLC's a few years ago, and when they left the market, the SLC's retailed for about $1600.00. Now Swaro sells the EXACT SAME binos in their Kahles Helia line of binos, and you could buy them brand new in box right now for $950.00 from a dealer. So are guys just paying a premium to be able to have the green binos hanging around their neck? Because according to what Swaro did with the SLC's, they seem to have been overcharging people and people are happy to mindlessly pay the premium.

Used market for optics and gear is a crap shoot, and gear is only worth what guys are willing to pay for it. At the end of the day, everything we buy is a status symbol and a flex of some kind. If you don't like what Vortex has to offer, don't buy it. But If you really wanna get microscopic, it's pretty easy to poke holes in every company's business practices and pricing strategies.
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Used optics is where vortex excels, you can send whatever in or ask for whatever eyecups. Straps, ect. And they are at your door in a few days. Literally found a beat to hell pair while elk hunting a few years ago and sent them in and got a brand new pair back, they were diamondbacks, but that was pretty slick
 
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