Uvalde--the disgrace we all suspected it was.

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Did anyone else catch the Uvalde conference today?
This was the televised meeting of the state's top safety officer explaining that several officers (7?)--fully and heavily armed--stood outside of an UNLOCKED DOOR for one hour, fourteen minutes and eight seconds while innocent teachers and children were being massacred.

Good God, what has happened to this country!? Cowards. And the police Chief Arredondo ordered it all.

From the NYT:

In his comments before a special State Senate committee in Austin, Steven McCraw, the director of the Department of Public Safety, provided the most complete public account yet of his agency’s month-old investigation and a forceful argument that officers at the scene could have — and should have — confronted the gunman without delay after arriving. Just minutes after a gunman began shooting children on May 24, he said, the officers at the scene had enough firepower and protective equipment to storm into the classrooms.
“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander,” Mr. McCraw said.

But the commander “decided to put the lives of officers ahead of the lives of children,” he said, delaying the confrontation with the gunman for more than an hour while he “waited for a key that was never needed.”
 

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If there was ever a time to disobey your boss/commander this was the time. May all these coward officers suffer immense guilt the rest of their lives. This shooting is the worst of all of them because of these officers. 7 porkers fully armed with ARs and bullet proof shields afraid of an untrained solo teenager. Unbelievable.
 

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Officers stood in hallway with AR-15's (or M-4s), one with a ballistic shield in hand. These were some of the first in the school at roughly 19 minutes into the event (not sure if that is 19 minutes after perp entered school or crashed his truck).

Furthermore, it turns out the classroom doors couldn't be locked from inside. (Edit: Reading another news story indicates it was only this one classroom door that couldn’t be locked).

Anyways, this indicates the first narrative as false, namely: Officers didn't engage because they only had handguns; officers were waiting on ballistic shield; officers were waiting on master key to "unlock" the door.

A DPS officer went inside very early and tried to get the officers "posted" at end of hall to engage...unsuccessfully.

This is really ugly for Uvalde ISD and city police...meanwhile Congress plots to restrict 2A based upon false narrative.

 
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I wouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. You really think those doors couldn’t be locked from the inside? Come on. Every school I have ever been in with my kids, the classroom doors are locked from the inside during class time.
 

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I wouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. You really think those doors couldn’t be locked from the inside? Come on. Every school I have ever been in with my kids, the classroom doors are locked from the inside during class time.
I believe the teacher reported the lock was broken before that day...anyway, I have a bar and sledge in my jeep that would have opened that door. All fire units have better than I have and they could have had the tools in minutes. Most cops today leave a lot to be desired....
 

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I wouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. You really think those doors couldn’t be locked from the inside? Come on. Every school I have ever been in with my kids, the classroom doors are locked from the inside during class time.

There is apparently a paper trail that the teacher submitted a custodial request for days or weeks before the attack stating the door lock was not functioning.

I tried to reserve judgement on this whole thing, but the behavior and judgement of the police that day is just increasingly indefensible. We had a long thread on this forum where many were scolded from the person I’ve of breaching heavy doors. It now seems that the door wasn’t even locked.

One thing is for sure, the police bootlickers won’t back down from defending the actions and decision making on this day.
 
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I believe the teacher reported the lock was broken before that day...anyway, I have a bar and sledge in my jeep that would have opened that door. All fire units have better than I have and they could have had the tools in minutes.
Because of this our Sheriffs Office approved the purchase of rifle rated shields, converting old shotguns to breaching guns, and training for breaching and entering in mass shooter scenarios. The goal is to give every deputy on the street the ability to intervene without being reliant on a SWAT team.
 

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“McCraw testified during a Texas state senate hearing the door could not be locked from the inside, and there was no indication that officers even attempted to try to open the door while the suspected shooter, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was inside—leading him to have “great reasons to believe” the door was never secured.”
 
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I believe the teacher reported the lock was broken before that day...anyway, I have a bar and sledge in my jeep that would have opened that door. All fire units have better than I have and they could have had the tools in minutes. Most cops today leave a lot to be desired....
So you can breach the door with your hammer and sledge while someone is shooting through it from the other side? Ok.
 
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“McCraw testified during a Texas state senate hearing the door could not be locked from the inside, and there was no indication that officers even attempted to try to open the door while the suspected shooter, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, was inside—leading him to have “great reasons to believe” the door was never secured.”
So it hasn’t been confirmed. He just has great reasons to believe. Got it
 

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So you can breach the door with your hammer and sledge while someone is shooting through it from the other side? Ok.
A person may die trying to save children's lives but them's the breaks for having a set of gonads. Personally, I do not have to think about how I would react in that type of situation. I know how I would react. But I am not a pussy.
 

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They all went home safe and Susie gets her braces.

This thing rubbed me the wrong way from the get go and the more that comes out the more pissed I get.

Once again a shooter that was known.

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No one in the internet is a pussy lol
Everything that I've read and seen points to a defective inside lock mechanism. The fact that the door could not be locked from inside is indisputable.

I don't consider myself uncommonly brave in any way, but I would have opened that ****ing door and killed that azzhole or would have died trying. Most here would do the same!
What grown man stands down while that carnage is happening?! Those poor children and teachers, forsaken by those they trusted the most.
 
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If there was ever a time to disobey your boss/commander this was the time. May all these coward officers suffer immense guilt the rest of their lives. This shooting is the worst of all of them because of these officers. 7 porkers fully armed with ARs and bullet proof shields afraid of an untrained solo teenager. Unbelievable.

Their training and authority to neutralize a threat fully qualufies them to be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law.
 
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Speechless, angry, sad, sickened……all at the same time. I imagine we’ll see suicides from that department, some won’t be able to live with the shame and guilt.
 
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