Unknown suppressors OG testing

[AZ_Hunter]

You are saying you found it quieter than the A10?

 

[RWT]

If you are moving cans often then the anti seize is a good option. If you don’t plan on removing it accept to clean. Hand tight once, then shoot it hot and hand tight turn again one hard hand turn with an oven mit. That can should stay on until you want it off.

I run TBAC and two cans bounce between 8 rifles . I am set up with the TBAC mounting CB mounts in each gun and run antiseize on the external threads. Once these are out in the wild and have a few reviews I’ll pick one up and dedicate it to my primary hunting rifle. Very interest to see how it shoots on an AR.

 

[Dioni A]

You are saying you found it quieter than the A10?

Yes I plan on testing with acoustic equipment also. To my ear it’s quieter

 

[5811]

Yes I plan on testing with acoustic equipment also. To my ear it’s quieter

But does it Whomp or Whomf or whoopf or pfffft?

 

[AZ_Hunter]

Yes I plan on testing with acoustic equipment also. To my ear it’s quieter

If that’s the case, that is above my expectations.

 

[TxLite]

But does it Whomp or Whomf or whoopf or pfffft?

Asking the real questions

 

[nm.otter]

Curious what those would sound like on a 18-20 6.5 or 7 prc? Will this be on par with a scythe? They keep saying this is designed for 308/creed based cartridges.

I recall them saying (roughly) it was a very good .30 cal can, but really shined on smaller calibers. Volume matters -- a lot.

 

[Dioni A]

Can you tell us what barrel diameter it will fit over?

They will be making another version to go over a 1 inch barrel. It will have a larger outside diameter to replicate the same internal volume.

 

[littlebigtine]

Hard no to anti-seize. I have always had issues with cb mounts and my tbac suppressors. Dry, they would carbon lock because the threads would eventually get carbon on them because of how tight the clearances are.
I had to send 2 suppressors to tbac to remove the mounts.
Used anti-seize and it worked for a while but eventually gathered carbon and had the same issue.
My gunsmith recommended seal 1 paste on the mount threads and to clean them intermittently with it as well. I use it liberally and zero issues.
Been using for a year now.
Suppressors lock in and pop right off every time.
That being said it has only been used on cb shoulder mounts so I cant speak to a direct thread configuration.

 

[4th_point]

Yes I plan on testing with acoustic equipment also. To my ear it’s quieter

You may know this already, but by the time you notice a difference in sound it's around 3 dB.

A 6 dB change is twice the sound pressure, but it can be hard to relate to.

Another way to think about it is to have two similar sources, like two speakers. If they have the same amplitude, but not precisely the same phase then it's generally accepted to be +3 dB. Incoherent sources, if you want to look it up.

So if you fire two exact rifles at the same time, you get +3 dB as they won't be coherent.

For humans to perceive something to be twice as loud, it needs to be +10 dB!

10 dB is a huge number, but we only perceive it as 2x.

Sorta gives you an idea on the limitations of our ears.

Now if you like a perceived tonal quality, only you can be the judge of that.

But you start going down a blackhole of psychoacoustics... good luck!

I was involved in some of those studies, and I would caution anyone to jump to conclusions on sound quality.

It gets real murky, and the more we try to rationalize it, justify it, and just make shit up that we don't understand, the more confusing it gets.

But if you like a certain "signature", that's all that matters.

You could even call it "Healing Tones" for the discerning and sophisticated hunter.

 

[ztc92]

Curious what those would sound like on a 18-20 6.5 or 7 prc? Will this be on par with a scythe? They keep saying this is designed for 308/creed based cartridges. Anyone have any insight or db numbers for comparison?

I am fortunate to be asked to test this new UM can and happen to have a Tikka in 6.5 Creed cut to 18” that currently sports a Scythe. I hope to compare it directly to the UM can and report back this weekend. I also have a Harvester Evo that is truly unpleasant on the 6.5 but great for my 223 so I’ll try to mention that as well.

Fit and finish on my test suppressor looks excellent. I was also wondering about wrench flats but agree with @Dioni A that there should be no issue using a strap wrench if needed.

 

[Eleven]

Does anyone know if there is a plan to have a model with a 1/2-28 thread? If they only have the 5/8-24 and you need to use an adaptor (because your barrel is 1/2-28) that adaptor will be way up inside the reflex. If it gets stuck there and threads off the barrel instead of the other way around it would be a pain to get the adaptor out.

Also, any idea if there are plans to send one to PEW science? https://pewscience.com/rankings

 

[TNHighlands]

Have they announced tentative pricing on these?

 

[bhylton]

Have they announced tentative pricing on these?

$999 I believe

 

[5811]

Does anyone know if there is a plan to have a model with a 1/2-28 thread? If they only have the 5/8-24 and you need to use an adaptor (because your barrel is 1/2-28) that adaptor will be way up inside the reflex. If it gets stuck there and threads off the barrel instead of the other way around it would be a pain to get the adaptor out.

Also, any idea if there are plans to send one to PEW science? https://pewscience.com/rankings

See the response below regarding your first question. I'd love to see pew science test one. If the numbers came out well, it would put this can on a lot more radars.

We are not planning on making a 4" OTB with 1/2-28 threads because it is very difficult to thread 5/8-24 4" down inside of a reflex we had to make special tooling. 1/2-28 would be more difficult and at this time we dont think we are going to do it.

 

[Dioni A]

Does anyone know if there is a plan to have a model with a 1/2-28 thread? If they only have the 5/8-24 and you need to use an adaptor (because your barrel is 1/2-28) that adaptor will be way up inside the reflex. If it gets stuck there and threads off the barrel instead of the other way around it would be a pain to get the adaptor out.

Also, any idea if there are plans to send one to PEW science? https://pewscience.com/rankings

They have their own thread adapter they’re making to go from half inch and have developed a tool to remove it in case it gets stuck.

They were talking about including the adapter if not the pricing sounds very reasonable.
I’m hoping to get one soon and will try and include it in this thread

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

If they only have the 5/8-24 and you need to use an adaptor (because your barrel is 1/2-28) that adaptor will be way up inside the reflex. If it gets stuck there and threads off the barrel instead of the other way around it would be a pain to get the adaptor out.

Use rockset or red locktite on adapters going inside reflex/OTB suppressors.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

In a perfect world suppressors would be left hand thread and would self tighten from vibration and rotational forces from the gas. Especially since these are being hand tightened and not getting into the elastic range of the components which typically holds bolts together.

And that’s why I run Area 419 adapters for my TBAC.

 

[ElPollo]

Use rockset or red locktite on adapters going inside reflex/OTB suppressors.

@Eleven
Will second what pods8 said. Having your adapter stick in a a reflex sucks. A drop of rockset is a better option than red loctite if you shoot much. The red stuff releases with heat. The rockset releases of you soak it in water.

 

[ElPollo]

You may know this already, but by the time you notice a difference in sound it's around 3 dB.

A 6 dB change is twice the sound pressure, but it can be hard to relate to.

Another way to think about it is to have two similar sources, like two speakers. If they have the same amplitude, but not precisely the same phase then it's generally accepted to be +3 dB. Incoherent sources, if you want to look it up.

So if you fire two exact rifles at the same time, you get +3 dB as they won't be coherent.

For humans to perceive something to be twice as loud, it needs to be +10 dB!

10 dB is a huge number, but we only perceive it as 2x.

Sorta gives you an idea on the limitations of our ears.

Now if you like a perceived tonal quality, only you can be the judge of that.

But you start going down a blackhole of psychoacoustics... good luck!

I was involved in some of those studies, and I would caution anyone to jump to conclusions on sound quality.

It gets real murky, and the more we try to rationalize it, justify it, and just make shit up that we don't understand, the more confusing it gets.

But if you like a certain "signature", that's all that matters.

You could even call it "Healing Tones" for the discerning and sophisticated hunter.

Getting quantitative information a this suppressor is beyond what the reviewers or most of us are able to do. You can’t get accurate dB numbers on these without dropping some coin on specialized equipment. But their opinions on how the can compares are valid.