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KyleR1985

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My preference is the forged slick side uppers. They're strong and lightweight. It's easy to mill the slot for the charging handle on whatever side you prefer.

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Not my picture, but the CMT I posted is on the right. The one you linked - is it lighter than the CMT? I didn’t see a weight posted.

Seems like the cost of having someone mill it if you can’t puts it at the CMT cost.
 
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My preference is the forged slick side uppers. They're strong and lightweight. It's easy to mill the slot for the charging handle on whatever side you prefer.

The spikes seems to occupy the sweet spot in weight vs preformance. The Fostech is magnesium, which really likes to corrode, especially when there's a chance for galvanic situations, like where the barrel, barrel nut and reciver all meet up. And the polymer ones that are lighter than the spikes, I'd question long term durability cutting a side charging slot in.
 

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Here’s my take. There’s two reasons to go 6x45 over .223. 1) legality in certain states. 2) increased performance from sub-16-inch barrels. That’s it.

No animal will know the difference. Put bullet in vitals, and lights go out in less than 20 seconds.
If not set up to load 6x45, would you suggest 6arc over the x45?
 
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The spikes seems to occupy the sweet spot in weight vs preformance. The Fostech is magnesium, which really likes to corrode, especially when there's a chance for galvanic situations, like where the barrel, barrel nut and reciver all meet up. And the polymer ones that are lighter than the spikes, I'd question long term durability cutting a side charging slot in.
I don't know my metal properties... how does the magnesium/aluminum alloy aspect play into the corrosion problem vs straight magnesium?

If I'm seeing the weights correctly:

6.6oz Solo300
5.9oz spikes slick side
4.9oz fostech magnesium/aluminum alloy
 

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Depends what you plan to do with it, how far you shoot, and how strong you are for manually cycling a 6mm ARC. A .300 BLK, .350 Legend, or maybe even 6.8 SPC might work better.
I'm new to the manual ar game. As long as you have proper case sizing, and not running hot powder charges, extraction should be same as 556 or 6x45 no? Does the shorter case body result in greater stripping forces to load the next round into chamber? I'd like to have lower expansion velocity to 500y or so with 77tmk or 95tmk in 22arc or 6arc.
 
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Yes, both should require similar extraction forces. I've only played with .300 BLK, 5.56, and 6mm ARC, but Thegman (our ULUL lord and savior who has much more experience) has a theory: the fatter the case, the harder it'll be to manually extract.
 
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Not necessarily for weight, but I was getting paranoid that the bolt handle was too long so I gave it a quick shave and haircut.
 
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I don't know my metal properties... how does the magnesium/aluminum alloy aspect play into the corrosion problem vs straight magnesium?

If I'm seeing the weights correctly:

6.6oz Solo300
5.9oz spikes slick side
4.9oz fostech magnesium/aluminum alloy
It's been awhile since I pulled any galvanic charts, but any time magnesium gets involved it like to corrode. Their exact alloy isn't disclosed, it's probably less of a deal than I'm making, but I personally avoid magnesium things after having to work with magnesium in a work setting.
 
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It's been awhile since I pulled any galvanic charts, but any time magnesium gets involved it like to corrode. Their exact alloy isn't disclosed, it's probably less of a deal than I'm making, but I personally avoid magnesium things after having to work with magnesium in a work setting.
It does make me curious though... several popular magnesium chassis on the market like xlr element and MDT hnt26. Wonder if there have been issues.
 
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My preference is the forged slick side uppers. They're strong and lightweight. It's easy to mill the slot for the charging handle on whatever side you prefer.

From what I've read anyway, ounce for ounce, forged is the strongest route, which probably means forged could also be the lightest (7075) option(?).

I'd be perfectly happy going full circle with something like this with a flat top. Maybe with the Palouse-lite features forged into the design as well.
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I'd bet the Kaiser would just work fine as well, but not worth the $ IMO.

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All that said, seems like with what we have available right now, the rifles can be pretty much as lightweight as we want. For myself, anyway, I doubt I'd want anything lighter than what I already have.
 
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