To the people of Wyoming...

[wind gypsy]

I figured Yvon and meat eater would trigger a response from their biggest fan, just didn’t see it right away because of the thread title.

 

[JWP58]

I figured Yvon and meat eater would trigger a response from their biggest fan, just didn’t see it right away because of the thread title.

Hey I'm always interested in what everyone has to say, and when the modern day micro-brew-jesus speaks, darn tooting I'm going to listen! Glad I did too....

 

[cuerro viejo]

yah, his philanthropy toward things WE ALL love is hard to match too. He lives very simple He does not act like a rich snob. he gives tons of money to wildlife and resource protection and public land protection. I will buy patagonia whenever i can afford it. (which is rare). The best part about it is through Patagonia he has found a way to extract money from people who would likely never give a dime toward wildlife protection and he uses that money to put toward wildlife/land protection.

Meet him in a fly shop in Arkansas, best sales guy I ever met. Obviously still rings true. We are just another market segment

 

[IdahoHntr]

I would strongly disagree that the only reason for public land to exist is to kill animals on it. That's a myopic point of view if that's your assertion.

This is a hunting forum and so I was talking about hunting. I never said public lands don’t have more value than just hunting, but being on rokslide I was speaking about hunting to hunters. Didn’t think people came here for the hiking and birdwatching advice, but I’ll keep your interests in mind here on out.

Public lands obviously need to be preserved for our hunting (and other) traditions. I merely am stating that there are more immediate attacks on hunting that hunters need to be aware of, especially before making their bed with Yvon. Sadly most don’t even bat an eye at anything not public land related. That will be the real death of hunting.

 

[wind gypsy]

I thought it was a very entertaining podcast. I own Patagucci stuff but avoid buying more because of their anti predator hunting bullshit.

takes:
- I think a lot of people with different political affiliations would like the idea of CA being their own country.

- definitely an elitist and hypocritical, the latter of which he openly admitted. He sure gives the impression that he means what he says and isn’t trying to pretty it up for anyone, which is refreshing.

- Not surprised on the gov Meade take, but would have been nice to give credit where due for the good things done that Yvon also aligns with

- “Constitution is obsolete” was kind of a wtf moment

- Calling politicians evil for being climate change deniers was thought provoking. I have not done enough of my own independent research on climate change to formulate my stance for some time and it hasn’t been a big issue to me. Basic feelings are that overwhelming majority of science appeared to support the theory of human caused climate change. That said I recall seeing coverage of contradictory studies being shunned or misused and even some on (tinfoil hat) human climate control that have kept me from buying in wholesale. That said, you know damn well there are conservative politicians who believe climate change is exacerbated by human activities but pretend otherwise for votes or donor $. In that case, “evil” isn’t inaccurate IMO.

 

[ODB]

I thought it was a very entertaining podcast. I own Patagucci stuff but avoid buying more because of their anti predator hunting bullshit.

takes:
- I think a lot of people with different political affiliations would like the idea of CA being their own country.

- definitely an elitist and hypocritical, the latter of which he openly admitted. He sure gives the impression that he means what he says and isn’t trying to pretty it up for anyone, which is refreshing.

- Not surprised on the gov Meade take, but would have been nice to give credit where due for the good things done that Yvon also aligns with

- “Constitution is obsolete” was kind of a wtf moment

- Calling politicians evil for being climate change deniers was thought provoking. I have not done enough of my own independent research on climate change to formulate my stance for some time and it hasn’t been a big issue to me. Basic feelings are that overwhelming majority of science appeared to support the theory of human caused climate change. That said I recall seeing coverage of contradictory studies being shunned or misused and even some on (tinfoil hat) human climate control that have kept me from buying in wholesale. That said, you know damn well there are conservative politicians who believe climate change is exacerbated by human activities but pretend otherwise for votes or donor $. In that case, “evil” isn’t inaccurate IMO.

I think a whole hell of a lot of politicians are “evil” if being duplicitous is the test.

 

[EastMT]

“Climate denier” is just a way to be derogatory and condescending to people who don’t agree with him. The only thing that never changes in climate is constant change, that’s not debatable in my opinion. The cause of the climate change and whether it can be stopped if it is our fault is what most people disagree on.

Old timers in AK will tell you all the facts you need to know. The alders covering hills, creeping up sheep and goat mountains, where they used to glass moose in fields of grass 50 years ago now 10’ tall alders, it’s happening.

Now did we do it, the sun, still warming from last ice age, normal cycle? I’ll leave that to people smarter than me, but I do know this- It has been a lot warmer and a lot colder before and it will be again in both directions.


I have yet to be begin to procrastinate.

 

[Gearqueer]

I listened to the podcast today. I was put-off by a lot of things that the man said, but I also realize that Rinella is doing this for conservation. This article by Rinella written last year puts it in perspective:

Hikers: Stop Hating on Hunters

Hunters and anglers are the outdoor industry's strongest political ally.

www.outsideonline.com

The irony was that YC mentions he doesn’t like being told what to do, and doesn’t like telling people what to do. Yet YC probably wants to take away some of my guns, I think he wants to split our one indivisible nation, and he definitely wants to tell me that climate scientists irrefutably got it right this time and we must obey them. Although possibly foolishly, I still have my reservations. He can mostly **** off, but I probably agree with him on some important things.

When it comes down to it I have to commend Rinella for giving us hunters a chance to hear it straight from YC’s mouth. I’d like to think it’s what Rinella intended. I try hard not to judge people by their politics, such is a miserable existence.




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[Montana Slim]

As long as we are talking about hypocrisy...

It seems a bit 'duplicitous' to blast Chouinard for not agreeing with "science based management" in one breath, and then ridicule people trying to do something about climate change in the next because you don't believe changes in climate are caused by human activity.

Done properly, science has no political association, and we would do well to remember that. Ignoring science until it provides us with information we agree with and backs up our already established points of view sort of defeats the purpose, right?

 

[JWP58]

Ridicule? I hope you're referring the holy shaman Chouinard who enjoys calling people evil and using terms like "denier" (akin to a holocaust denier). I simply pointed out what he said.

I dont think anyone wants dirty air or water. However I also dont think we should put ourselves back to the stone age because the planet is going to end in 12 yrs.

I will say one positive thing about the guy. He is a great salesman. Hell there are probably folks out there now thinking "hey, maybe California should have more representation than Rhode Island"....lol

I do have a request. For all the Chouinardians out there, have you ever seen a picture of the man with a deer he's killed? I'm sure there's one floating around out there. I've seen pictures of him surfing, fishing, climbing (in some very exotic places to have a photographer), but I cant seem to locate a hunting picture.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Ridicule? I hope you're referring the holy shaman Chouinard who enjoys calling people evil and using terms like "denier" (akin to a holocaust denier). I simply pointed out what he said.

I dont think anyone wants dirty air or water. However I also dont think we should put ourselves back to the stone age because the planet is going to end in 12 yrs.

I will say one positive thing about the guy. He is a great salesman. Hell there are probably folks out there now thinking "hey, maybe California should have more representation than Rhode Island"....lol

He didn't actually say that, did he?

 

[Okhotnik]

Ridicule? I hope you're referring the holy shaman Chouinard who enjoys calling people evil and using terms like "denier" (akin to a holocaust denier). I simply pointed out what he said.

I dont think anyone wants dirty air or water. However I also dont think we should put ourselves back to the stone age because the planet is going to end in 12 yrs.

I will say one positive thing about the guy. He is a great salesman. Hell there are probably folks out there now thinking "hey, maybe California should have more representation than Rhode Island"....lol

Patagonia interestingly enough uses Chinese slave labor to manufacture their products and Chouinard, the white privileged male, millionaire flies all over the world spewing a huuuuge carbon footprint that is destroying mother earth

Why would anyone listen to this clown’s opinions?

He’s a great marketer selling over priced Chinese made mountain clothing to people who live in NYC and San Francisco

 

[JWP58]

He didn't actually say that, did he?

Say what? The quotes in the original post are directly transcribed from his interview.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Say what? The quotes in the original post are directly transcribed from his interview.

That CA doesn't have more representation than RI? I can't stomach much of the meateater anymore, so I rarely listen.

 

[ODB]

Ridicule? I hope you're referring the holy shaman Chouinard who enjoys calling people evil and using terms like "denier" (akin to a holocaust denier). I simply pointed out what he said.

I dont think anyone wants dirty air or water. However I also dont think we should put ourselves back to the stone age because the planet is going to end in 12 yrs.

I will say one positive thing about the guy. He is a great salesman. Hell there are probably folks out there now thinking "hey, maybe California should have more representation than Rhode Island"....lol

I do have a request. For all the Chouinardians out there, have you ever seen a picture of the man with a deer he's killed? I'm sure there's one floating around out there. I've seen pictures of him surfing, fishing, climbing (in some very exotic places to have a photographer), but I cant seem to locate a hunting picture.

I’m glad you picked up on the real reason people use “denier.” It’s actually a subtle way of inferring the other person is a Nazi. That word is used in VERY few contexts - the main one being holocaust denial as you correctly stated.

Not sure who said it first, but a label is an intellectually lazy way for a person to discern they know more about a person than they actually do. When a person labels another as a “denier”, they are intellectually vapid and have closed their mind to any opinion but their own. By putting people in a ready-made box they are able to more easily discard the whole as trash and free themselves from having to consider any alternative to their own.

 

[Billinsd]

That CA doesn't have more representation than RI? I can't stomach much of the meateater anymore, so I rarely listen.

He's probably talking about Senators. 2 for each state. Wouldn't that be fantastic if each state had their number of Senators based on Population? California would have lots. That's why he and others hate the Constitution. The Constitution can be changed by Amendments, but that's hard as it was designed to be. Wouldn't it be great if all power was from LA and NY?
Giving this guy a soapbox to stand on in exchange for conservation efforts is too high a price for me.

 

[ODB]

He's probably talking about Senators. 2 for each state. Wouldn't that be fantastic if each state had their number of Senators based on Population? California would have lots. That's why he and others hate the Constitution. The Constitution can be changed by Amendments, but that's hard as it was designed to be. Wouldn't it be great if all power was from LA and NY?
Giving this guy a soapbox to stand on in exchange for conservation efforts is too high a price for me.

Is everyone forgetting about the House? California has 53 reps, Delaware 1. California has 37x the population but 53x the reps. All spending bills start in the House. I’d say California has enough representation. Remember, the House is fixed at 435 members.

The guy doesnt understand how the three branches of govt really work. He’s cherry picking a supposed inequality to damn the whole thing. Rich doesn’t overcome ignorance, especially willful ignorance.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Is everyone forgetting about the House? California has 53 reps, Delaware 1. California has 37x the population but 53x the reps. All spending bills start in the House. I’d say California has enough representation. Remember, the House is fixed at 435 members.

The guy doesnt understand how the three branches of govt really work. He’s cherry picking a supposed inequality to damn the whole thing. Rich doesn’t overcome ignorance, especially willful ignorance.

I certainly wasn't forgetting about the house or electoral college votes for that matter. That's why I wondered if he was really that dense. CA, especially with regards to the metro areas, is over-represented.

 

[EastMT]

There was a reason 2 per state was chosen. It was to prevent large states from ruling small states through the Fed Govt and is exactly what he is whining about.

The founders knew if the large states had all the say, the small states would not join/stay in the union. If California made all the decisions out west I’d hate to see the state of our union.


I have yet to be begin to procrastinate.

 

[Okhotnik]

So many assumptions in so little time. Seems like some research on his past actions and current positions would be warranted before making assumptions (although I have not listened to podcast in reference, I have read a good deal about him). Yes he has some different views than you on climate and grizzlies, but he is a lifelong conservationist, hunter, fisherman and sincere advocate of keeping public lands public, He teamed up with First Lite last year in effort to bring awareness to increasing efforts to take public land some of which relates to the oil and gas industry acquiring public lands. Pretty hard to find any public figures these days that you are going to agree with on all issues. Its easy for us to sit here on the computer and comment on other's that are doing things we don't like, but they are at least taking action one way or another.

Just how big is the fake Conservation warrior Chouinard's carbon footprint???