Tikka Nitriding

[Formidilosus]

Well Dr. Form, please provide your material science analysis, bro.

I’m not the one that believes chipped paint is nitride.

Are you saying that UM ceracoated this bolt instead of sending off for nitride?

How would I know, or care what UM did or didn’t do?

But you believing nitride “wears” like that just says that you have no idea what nitride does.

 

[Formidilosus]

Well this was pre Red Carpet QC card... Perhaps I was bamboozled by the podcaster

Did you order the bolt nitrided?

 

[swavescatter]

Did you order the bolt nitrided?

Yes. Action, bolt and barrel all nitrided. But they totally screwed up the chambering on the barrel so that got shipped back. Complete shitshow of a build but I've moved on. I completely agree with you that this industry sucks, is full of bro science, shoddy craftsmanship, outright incompetence and marketeering BS.

Also, many researchers have performed controlled experiments to measure the material properties of nitrided steel, including wear properties. This is published in peer reviewed journals. You are single handedly dismissing long established material science fundamentals because....?

You might caveat your position by stating that nitrided steel wears much less than untreated steel, or not perceivably in a firearm application. But it does wear, and you can measure it, as have many engineers and scientists. I'm not a material scientist, which is why I did 10 seconds of research to satisfy my doubts about miracle nitride properties.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Here's a picture of my UM nitrided bolt. Lots of wear for something that supposedly doesn't wear. Wiped it for the pic - always run the red tacky bolt lube on the lugs...

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How many rounds on the bolt since "Nitrite"

I have had 20+ actions with Nitrite. That bolt is not Nitried, or something is up with the lockup.

 

[Formidilosus]

Yes. Action, bolt and barrel all nitrided. But they totally screwed up the chambering on the barrel so that got shipped back. Complete shitshow of a build but I've moved on. I completely agree with you that this industry sucks, is full of bro science, shoddy craftsmanship, outright incompetence and marketeering BS.

Also, many researchers have performed controlled experiments to measure the material properties of nitrided steel, including wear properties. This is published in peer reviewed journals. You are single handedly dismissing long established material science fundamentals because....?

You might caveat your position by stating that nitrided steel wears much less than untreated steel, or not perceivably in a firearm application. But it does wear, and you can measure it, as have many engineers and scientists. I'm not a material scientist, which is why I did 10 seconds of research to satisfy my doubts about miracle nitride properties.

I posted in a thread about a bolt action rifle with nitride. You aren’t “wearing” nitride off a bolt in a bolt action in normal use. Maybe stop, and realize that your argument is based on a bolt that looks like all the world is paint- not nitride. Who did it or what happened means absolutely nothing to me.

Your “ten seconds” of “research” would have been better spent ordering ammo to actually shoot and see if you can “wear” nitride off a bolt action rifle.

 

[NSI]

You have seen issues with Tikka bolt lugs after sending to H&M black nitride?

Yes.

 

[swavescatter]

How many rounds on the bolt since "Nitrite"

I have had 20+ actions with Nitrite. That bolt is not Nitried, or something is up with the lockup.

300?

I am not at all surprised that this was yet another screw up by UM and I didn't actually get the nitride I ordered. They refunded the bulk of the build, but I was still out hundreds in shipping, ammo and a ton of time monkeying with this crap. Apparently there are still a few "unknowns" coming to light

Talking to several gunsmiths, none would attempt to fix the chamber of the "nitrided" Ace barrel unless I paid for a new reamer since it would cause undo wear. So yes, nitrided steel can be machined (because it's not magic) but is very hard on cutting tools.

 

[MagnumHntr]

Yes.

Can you explain what you have seen happen after nitrided?

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

This is what mine looks like.