Thought Experiment: bear defense

[Fatcamp]

I would love to see it on a grizzly. I think it would be incredible. #2 (or even bigger) buckshot TSS seems like great bear medicine.

Tungsten buckshot for leopard follow up?

Given a former thread claiming tungsten shot passes through geese, ducks, etc. could we extrapolate that increased performance to tungsten buckshot? If no 9 tungsten is passing through birds, would tungsten buckshot end the debate about penetration/effectiveness on wounded leopards? It would not...

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Here's an interesting conversation.

 

[jolson]

I would have to go with the shotgun as well but with the tried and true cutter breaching rounds

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[rlynn27]

M60 on bipod, armor piercing rounds, belt of 100.

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Slingshot. Right through its eye.

 

[cmert]

If size and weight is not a consideration and the gun is already out and ready to roll I'm going M2A1 with a whole belt of APITs.

 

[jpmulk]

Something requiring a lanyard

 

[mtnbound]

AR-based rifle system, LPO or Red-dot, and a change of underwear.

 

[Rich M]

plain lead buckshot will flatten and some will penetrate. Why copper and nickel plated buckshot is made...

I've seen stuff talking about BB tungsten fully penetrating a deer's rib cage at 75 yards. Would have no issues carrying some 3-inch #1 Buck in grizzly territory.

Guy i know from AK says the locals carry 000 buck intermixed with slugs and a .44 mag. Sounds reasonable - shoot the legs out and then kill it.

 

[b0nes]

 

[LR5Ranger]

A charging grizz, what I would WANT is a 105mm howitzer. More realistically I would want my Beretta 1301 12 gauge, loaded with a combo of slugs and 15 pellet 00 buck. Holds 8 rounds and shoots as fast as I can pull the trigger.

On the trap line here in Idaho carrying a shotgun with all my other stuff is often impractical; I typically carry a super redhawk in .480 Ruger with 400gr hardcast.

 

[PredatoryProwler]

A charging grizz, what I would WANT is a 105mm howitzer. More realistically I would want my Beretta 1301 12 gauge, loaded with a combo of slugs and 15 pellet 00 buck. Holds 8 rounds and shoots as fast as I can pull the trigger.

On the trap line here in Idaho carrying a shotgun with all my other stuff is often impractical; I typically carry a super redhawk in .480 Ruger with 400gr hardcast.

They said weight size ect doesn’t matter for this so the howitzer is fair game

 

[Hunthigh1]

This is fun, and a tough decision!

Remington 870 Police shooting Breneke slugs
Or
Any quality AR10 with red dot shooting a Barnes TTSX or nosler partition.

These are based on my confidence using these particular systems. A semi auto shotgun would be good if it was reliable enough to hang your life on. I don’t own one that qualifies…..

 

[Northern Safari]

My 470 NE double rifle with two down and ready to go.

 

[Wildcats32]

Probably the same 12ga but maybe slugs instead of buckshot. Or somehow a .50cal machine gun but that might be too far out there.

 

[chucko]

10 gauge #1 buckshot 3-1/2 mag single shot

 

[CRJR45]

A brown bear is 25 yards away, charging you full speed. What weapon are you picking if whatever gun (and ammo) you wanted would magically appear in your hands

For this, the weapon is already in your hands at the ready, so no struggling to draw it from a holster/sling or whatever.

Also ignore the portability/weight/easy access factors- what weapon are you choosing?

I have thought that either a pump or very reliable semi automatic 12g with 3.5” shells and a large payload of TSS buckshot would be hard to beat, but I would be interested to hear y’alls input as well. I could see an argument being made for reliable Semi-automatics as well as large bore (dangerous game) rifles or even more “normal” weapons.

#2 TSS buckshot in a 2 1/2 ounce load would give you 25 pellets at 47grains each. In two shots that is almost like having 50 shots from a 22lr, but with all of the penetration benefits of tungsten. If you handloaded it you could load it hotter and heavier. The hornady critical defense is pushing buckshot at 1600fps.

@Formidilosus recent S2H on 22wmr for bears further reinforced my opinion that 25, 45grain tungsten pellets per shot would be pretty good bear deterrent. Particularly when you have the penetration benefits of tungsten

Phazer set to stun , then beam me up Scotty !