The Problem With Hunting Clothing Brands Today

[Brad@Argali]

I’m not saying you where wrong or anything I have no idea how it works was really just wondering how they are doing it. I have some of there stuff and it’s nice stuff. Do you think as they grow they will have to move over to China? Or wherever?


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Oh gotchya. Yeah I dont know anything about them so would be pure speculation on my part.

 

[Ho5tile1]

I’m looking forward to what yall come up with


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[WiscoHoundsman]

Not sure if it has been said but depending on what layers you’re making think about an option with and without a hood. I seem to be coming to the realization that on colder hunts I don’t want hoods on everything as it creates some extra bulk there I don’t like. On the flip side when it’s warmer a base layer with a hood can be nice.

What I’m sayings is I don’t know what I want.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Not sure if it has been said but depending on what layers you’re making think about an option with and without a hood. I seem to be coming to the realization that on colder hunts I don’t want hoods on everything as it creates some extra bulk there I don’t like. On the flip side when it’s warmer a base layer with a hood can be nice.

What I’m sayings is I don’t know what I want.

Haha, I know what you mean. Even though having 4 hooded things on can be annoying, I tend to almost always prefer having a hood to not on all my layers.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

a hood on outer layer is almost crucial for the wind resistance help but also importantly for the water resistance it adds to the head and neck region.

I agree a hood on the mid or base layer is probably a little over kill. I am happy to pop a beanie on to help those cold mornings or evenings.

But when it starts to rain and even if its mild enough to not warrant rain gear, a beanie isn't stopping water from running off and going straight down the neck and onto the back and chest. A hood prevents this and makes it much easier to go a few minutes to catch some cover or give a few minutes to get into a pack and get out rain gear without getting soaked too badly.

 

[Oregonhuntrboi]

Not sure if it has been said but depending on what layers you’re making think about an option with and without a hood. I seem to be coming to the realization that on colder hunts I don’t want hoods on everything as it creates some extra bulk there I don’t like. On the flip side when it’s warmer a base layer with a hood can be nice.

What I’m sayings is I don’t know what I want.

This !! I hate hoods on everything except my rain jacket. And I rarely put my hood up on that.

 

[twall13]

This !! I hate hoods on everything except my rain jacket. And I rarely put my hood up on that.

I love a good fitting hood on most layers. Sun protection, wind protection, warmth. I've basically stopped carrying a beanie because I just use the hood on my layers instead and prefer it.

I agree it's nice to have options because if I end up with a base layer, mid layer, puffy and rain layer that all have hoods it can get bulky and annoying. It becomes Hunt dependent for me. If it's likely a warmer hunt my base layer is a sun hoodie. If it's colder and I'm likely to wear more layers my base layer won't have a hood. Mid layers can go either way but I generally prefer a hood.

That's the challenge with building a solid clothing lineup, everyone has different preferences and needs depending on where, when and how they hunt. It's hard to build something that works for everyone.

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[Ho5tile1]

Here inlies the problem some want a hood some don’t some want a hood on the outer layer some want it on the base layer some want it on multiple layers so they make every layer with and without the hood so every one can get what they want and it’s like that with almost every thing. If a company says that’s just to many things so we will just offer a good base layer and a hooded outer layer then some folks will get one thing from them and go get the other somewhere else. So you ether make it all or loose out to your competition and then some folks will just say well this company makes it both ways I will just get it all from them. Now you lost out on any sale.. not saying that’s how it will go but I can see that happening… kinda like your damed if you do damed if you don’t like being married..


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[Oregonhuntrboi]

a hood on outer layer is almost crucial for the wind resistance help but also importantly for the water resistance it adds to the head and neck region.

I agree a hood on the mid or base layer is probably a little over kill. I am happy to pop a beanie on to help those cold mornings or evenings.

But when it starts to rain and even if its mild enough to not warrant rain gear, a beanie isn't stopping water from running off and going straight down the neck and onto the back and chest. A hood prevents this and makes it much easier to go a few minutes to catch some cover or give a few minutes to get into a pack and get out rain gear without getting soaked too badly.

I can’t hear anything when it’s raining with my hood

Here inlies the problem some want a hood some don’t some want a hood on the outer layer some want it on the base layer some want it on multiple layers so they make every layer with and without the hood so every one can get what they want and it’s like that with almost every thing. If a company says that’s just to many things so we will just offer a good base layer and a hooded outer layer then some folks will get one thing from them and go get the other somewhere else. So you ether make it all or loose out to your competition and then some folks will just say well this company makes it both ways I will just get it all from them. Now you lost out on any sale.. not saying that’s how it will go but I can see that happening…


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oh I fully understand me being a hoodless guy is not the popular opinion. As long as the jackets has a hood built around a stand alone collar I can remove the hoods very easily and you can never tell they were there.

 

[Ho5tile1]

I like removable hoods or just on the outer layer I can’t stand to have them on every layer to bulky and I also hate to use any head cover cause I can’t hear as well. I will use a head cover if it’s just to cold and take it on and off but I really like the Sitka neck gator it’s like the fanatic neck gator or something


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[deserthunter2016]

For me hoods on hot weather clothing are essential. The sun on the back of your neck all day is killer.

On base or mid layers they are not necesary. I usually have a synthetic fleece of some kind as my mid layer that has a hood and this is what I wear 90% of the time I am moving and hunting mid to late season. Throw on a puffy layer when not moving and a rain jacket for rain or wind.

I think this is a very typically system for people and it covers most scenarios from early season to late season.

I want to be able to throw the same gear in my pack from early season to late with the addition of base layers as it gets later in the season. Fit, function and durability determine what pieces those are.

Solid earth tone colors that can be mixed to break up your outline. Camo is a marketing gimmick to me. But I do own some in pieces I like.


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[Jason Snyder]

@Brad@Argali thanks for the explanation on offshore manufacturing. I prefer to buy US made because I want to support domestic workers. However, I am not typically one to buy crap just because it’s made in the US.

My priorities are durability, fit and function. I could care less about camo. I have a pair of Outdoor Research Cirque pants that are one of the finest pairs of pants I own, but are lacking side zips and the fabric is a little loud. Durability and attention to detail (suspender loops and a gaiter hook) are fantastic.

I’m super interested in what you come up with. I’ve been shopping for pants and will hold out to see what you introduce.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

The problem I have, I don’t want to spend 300 bucks on a pair of pants made in China when I know those pants cost 3 bucks to make.

I would pay 300 for American made, high quality clothing with customer support.

 

[LostArra]

Fit is really high on the list for me, there's too many brands I just flat-out can't wear

If it doesn't fit then do all the other specs even matter? The problem is hunters come in dozens of shapes and sizes.

The original First Lite sizing was terrible and I abandoned that brand quickly and forever. I owned three tops in three different sizes, Med to XL.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

The problem with hoods on outer layers in some states goes back to my other comment about blaze rain jacket and puffy. Some states require a blaze hat which really cuts into the usefulness of hoods unless they are blaze themselves. Again niche issue to those states.

 

[LostArra]

The problem I have, I don’t want to spend 300 bucks on a pair of pants made in China when I know those pants cost 3 bucks to make.

I would pay 300 for American made, high quality clothing with customer support.

That assumes the Americans can sew as well or better than the manufacturers in China.

 

[JF_Idaho]

That assumes the Americans can sew as well or better than the Chinese.

You know there's Chinese people that live in America, right?

 

[LostArra]

You know there's Chinese people that live in America, right?

Oh my! I fixed it for you.

 

[Brad@Argali]

Here inlies the problem some want a hood some don’t some want a hood on the outer layer some want it on the base layer some want it on multiple layers so they make every layer with and without the hood so every one can get what they want and it’s like that with almost every thing. If a company says that’s just to many things so we will just offer a good base layer and a hooded outer layer then some folks will get one thing from them and go get the other somewhere else. So you ether make it all or loose out to your competition and then some folks will just say well this company makes it both ways I will just get it all from them. Now you lost out on any sale.. not saying that’s how it will go but I can see that happening… kinda like your damed if you do damed if you don’t like being married..


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This is true. We've never tried to make a product that is for everyone and all uses. We have always made products for a specific reason and use case, and I don't expect everything we make to work for everyone. We have always and will continue to ensure that whatever we make is purpose built. And we will be clear about the use case and the why behind what we make.

 

[JF_Idaho]

Oh my! I fixed it for you.

I was just busting balls.

My point being yes there are people in America, Chinese, Vietnamese, or of any other race that is talented at sewing. They just don't have to do it for <$2 an hour.