Seems like any "good" tags shouldn't even be on the list, they're only there because somebody returned them. Stop with the refunded points, it's silly.
The "not good" tags still must be "good enough" for people to apply for them.
I couldn’t agree more. It would be easy for CPW to just say “if you guys want to whine about everything, we’ll just toss the tags in the trash”. Then all the whiners would really have someone to whine about.
I tried to draw out but was in the unlucky 35% that didn’t draw so now I have a point and there are 30 sum archery elk tags on the second draw that I would happily take and forfeit my point to have that tag
Glass half full…you’re almost guaranteed to draw it next year.
This is part of where my frustration comes in as well. My first choice option has several tags available yet I was part of the unlucky 30% that did not draw. I understand people turning their tags, but if a hunt code drew out all first choice options, then I feel all of the turned in tags should go to 'next in line'. The individuals that actually attempted to draw that tag with their first choice shouldn't be punished because others chose to turn in their tag.
Couldnt agree more. That's the main complaint of the thread really. There are hunt codes with a couple dozen tags that took multiple points that pop back up in the secondary. It would be nice if the only tags that popped up on secondary were tags that were refused by next in line people that put in for the tag or went to leftover. AKA the tags are actual surplus based on demand and not a lottery kickback.
I think it’s pretty simple. All of that takes work. Reaching out to the next person in line, waiting for a return call, if no return call and no email after X hours, emailing and calling the next person. All of this takes man hours to accomplish. Why spend the thousands of hours doing this throughout the season? What about a turnback in July or August? The next person will complain too. So now you’re calling 5 people to see if they want the tag for every tag turned back?! It’s literally thousands of tags.
I think it creates a lackadaisical attitude with applications, probably have guys applying just in case they wanna go and decide later, probably got guys googling up unit numbers and applying them researching after they draw and deciding they don't want it. Etc.
I’m fully aware I’ll get it next year, honestly maybe for the best with a new baby coming in a few weeks, I hopefully have a tag or two this fall to hunt. I have friends with tags that I’ll likely help out with
I dunno, with computer systems nowadays it should be pretty easy to roll in an alternate draw list in order and they automatically get selected when a tag is returned. Maybe shorten the period so the alternates aren't stuck in limbo for more than a week.
Maybe, but the process now is to email the person then call them. Once again, I don’t think they’re changing the whole system to make a few people happy that probably won’t be happy regardless.
Or drawing better tags in other states ect and turning CO’s back in cause they know they get money and points back…
Haha she would know it’s a lie… but I will attempt anyhow hahaIt’s never as fun when you don’t get to pull the trigger, but really close!
Especially when it’s a really good tag you’ll likely never draw.
Pro tip, tell your wife you didn’t get a tag this year because you made the adult decision that helping your wife with a newborn was more important than hunting.
I don't think it has to be that complicated at all. It can all be automated. I think you give the same amount of time or even less to turn tags in. At that point, next in line is notified they drew the tag (remember, they applied first choice originally). If they drew their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice they are no longer next in line. I agree with you, it's not something that should be handled by man hours. Automation all the way.
I think setting it up like a draw where you get notified by mass email if a tag is now available after the turn in deadline would work. It would work like a draw with maybe 2-3 iterations. At least this might keep a majority of tags off the secondary that shouldn't be there. Couple that with harsher penalties for returning a tag. And you are right, its thousands of tags so no small feat! But we shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
This would be ideal if they implemented @sndmn11 idea of you can only 2nd draw or get leftover tags that you applied for in the original draw… but right now it’s only an internet pipe dream…
