The All New MRC/S2H Marshall Rifle Now Available

[waspocrew]

The muzzle brake is a value detractor. A thread protector makes more sense, especially given that the largest offering is a 308. I'm doubtful on it being needed for marketing, but I'm not a marketing guy. I will say it feels like an attempt too move UM product (muzzle brakes) irrespective of value to the customer. It has already been said it was a marketing decision, part of marketing is managing perception, and at least in my case the marketing decision has negatively effected my perception.

I thought this hit a good price point for what it is, but after going to MRC's page to look for specs and seeing the price of the Junction and Highline, I'm not so sure.

I do hope it sells well.

$1200 over their current offerings (one of which has a McMillan stock) seems a bit steep for swapping out a Rokstok, and using UM bottom metal and a brake.

I’m sure it’ll sell well - it’s Rokslide.

 

[Marbles]

$1200 over their current offerings (one of which has a McMillan stock) seems a bit steep for swapping out a Rokstok, and using UM bottom metal and a brake.

I’m sure it’ll sell well - it’s Rokslide.

One argument will be the QC, but still. Also, while 101 rounds cycled and 10 round groups are a high standard, I hope there other rifles see 2 mags worth cycled and 3-5 round groups. Sadly , in the American Made space, that too would be exceptional, but it should be the standard.

I do appreciate the SAAMI drop testing, they should advertise that, it means a lot more to me than 75% of what is currently advertised. Though, once again, that should be the base standard, but in the American Made space appears to be the exception.

Hopefully, competition and educating customers will help fix US manufacturing. For those two things I greatly appreciate Form, UM, S2H, MRC, SRS, et al. I feel honest feedback is important, I am starting to wonder if all skins involved are thick enough to take it in stride (but it is hard to interpret tone in text so perhaps it is just me). The goal is to avoid only hearing what one wants, but hearing disagreement doesn't mean one must change to accommodate it.

So far, @Ryan Avery and @robby denning and their team have done an outstanding job of keeping things open for discussion.

@Imac45acp has come across great, which makes me want to do business with him. I'm just too poor to drop that much on a rifle all at once.

 

[waspocrew]

One argument will be the QC, but still. Also, while 101 rounds cycled and 10 round groups are a high standard, I hope there other rifles see 2 mags worth cycled and 3-5 round groups. Sadly , in the American Made space, that too would be exceptional, but it should be the standard.

I do appreciate the SAAMI drop testing, they should advertise that, it means a lot more to me than 75% of what is currently advertised. Though, once again, that should be the base standard, but in the American Made space appears to be the exception.

Hopefully, competition and educating customers will help fix US manufacturing. For those two things I greatly appreciate Form, UM, S2H, MRC, SRS, et al. I feel honest feedback is important, I am starting to wonder if all skins involved are thick enough to take it in stride (but it is hard to interpret tone in text so perhaps it is just me). The goal is to avoid only hearing what one wants, but hearing disagreement doesn't mean one must change to accommodate it.

So far, @Ryan Avery and @robby denning and their team have done an outstanding job of keeping things open for discussion.

@Imac45acp has come across great, which makes me want to do business with him. I'm just too poor to drop that much on a rifle all at once.

Very well said! I agree, the QC does offer value and can be hard to quantify/put a $$ amount to what that effort is worth.

I'm sure they will have great success with this rifle, I'm just not ready to take the plunge yet.

 

[Grundy53]

I got to handle it in person today. It is a very nice rifle. I think whoever decides to purchase it will be happy. They had the one Form has been testing too. Man, that one is in even rougher shape than the pictures show . It's definitely getting tested.

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[khuber84]

I got to handle it in person today. It is a very nice rifle. I think whoever decides to purchase it will be happy. They had the one Form has been testing too. Man, that one is in even rougher shape than the pictures show . It's definitely getting tested.

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How does the trigger feel, to say a self contained aftermarket 700 unit, such as a problematic triggertech, Timney or a Bixn Andy? Idk if you have experience with those or not. I personally have never had a problem with a drop in 700 trigger group in the last 9 years I've owned them, but I must not put it through the conditions other do.

Hopefully the MRC trigger can be set to 16oz and have minimal take up, and have some overtravel built in once the cocking piece is released from the sear. I don't like the dead wall after the TT breaks.

 

[Grundy53]

How does the trigger feel, to say a self contained aftermarket 700 unit, such as a problematic triggertech, Timney or a Bixn Andy? Idk if you have experience with those or not. I personally have never had a problem with a drop in 700 trigger group in the last 9 years I've owned them, but I must not put it through the conditions other do.

Hopefully the MRC trigger can be set to 16oz and have minimal take up, and have some overtravel built in once the cocking piece is released from the sear. I don't like the dead wall after the TT breaks.

I'm not experienced enough with after-market triggers to give you a truthful answer. I just got my first one about a month ago.

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[waspocrew]

How does the trigger feel, to say a self contained aftermarket 700 unit, such as a problematic triggertech, Timney or a Bixn Andy? Idk if you have experience with those or not. I personally have never had a problem with a drop in 700 trigger group in the last 9 years I've owned them, but I must not put it through the conditions other do.

Hopefully the MRC trigger can be set to 16oz and have minimal take up, and have some overtravel built in once the cocking piece is released from the sear. I don't like the dead wall after the TT breaks.

Assuming it's the same trigger (not sure why it wouldn't be), here are the trigger pull specs from MRC for the Junction and Highline rifles:

ADJUSTABLE TRIGGER​

Inspired by the pre-64 Model 70 trigger geometry, our trigger is simple to adjust and operate. It is precision wire EDM cut from tool steel, and is factory set at 3.5 lbs, with the capability to adjust down to 2 lbs.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

How does the trigger feel

I dry fired Form’s rifle. He’s not kidding when he talks about it being “pillowy”.
It was unlike any Trigger I’ve felt. If he wasn’t right there to explain the reason he liked it so much, I would have described it as super mushy and not have had a great impression of it, only because I wouldn’t have been able to articulate how that characteristic would be helpful for not disturbing the rifle after the shot broke.

Feels nothing like Triggertech’s, Timney’s or KRG’s that I have experience with.

 

[TheCougar]

@MT_Wyatt now I’m being unreasonable!

If I get the BanHammer, it was worth it. #NoRagrets.

 

[Billy Goat]

@MT_Wyatt now I’m being unreasonable!

If I get the BanHammer, it was worth it. #NoRagrets.

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This is a masterpiece.


6 months off, and right off the bench with a grand slam.

 

[N2TRKYS]

That’s hilarious.

 

[huntnful]

I dry fired Form’s rifle. He’s not kidding when he talks about it being “pillowy”.
It was unlike any Trigger I’ve felt. If he wasn’t right there to explain the reason he liked it so much, I would have described it as super mushy and not have had a great impression of it, only because I wouldn’t have been able to articulate how that characteristic would be helpful for not disturbing the rifle after the shot broke.

Feels nothing like Triggertech’s, Timney’s or KRG’s that I have experience with.

My bix n Andy’s have like 1/4” wall you pull through after the trigger breaks. I like it, but I don’t like the trigger itself and the sear setting. I’m just going back to TT’s for simplicity sake. But I do like the open wall behind the trigger break of BnA

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

Oh boy. This is where we see if people have a sense of humor.

 

[DangerRanger]

One argument will be the QC, but still. Also, while 101 rounds cycled and 10 round groups are a high standard, I hope there other rifles see 2 mags worth cycled and 3-5 round groups. Sadly , in the American Made space, that too would be exceptional, but it should be the standard.

I do appreciate the SAAMI drop testing, they should advertise that, it means a lot more to me than 75% of what is currently advertised. Though, once again, that should be the base standard, but in the American Made space appears to be the exception.

Hopefully, competition and educating customers will help fix US manufacturing. For those two things I greatly appreciate Form, UM, S2H, MRC, SRS, et al. I feel honest feedback is important, I am starting to wonder if all skins involved are thick enough to take it in stride (but it is hard to interpret tone in text so perhaps it is just me). The goal is to avoid only hearing what one wants, but hearing disagreement doesn't mean one must change to accommodate it.

So far, @Ryan Avery and @robby denning and their team have done an outstanding job of keeping things open for discussion.

@Imac45acp has come across great, which makes me want to do business with him. I'm just too poor to drop that much on a rifle all at once.

1000$ rokstoks for sale?!

Ban incoming

 

[waspocrew]

@MT_Wyatt now I’m being unreasonable!

If I get the BanHammer, it was worth it. #NoRagrets.

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Best thing I've read in a long long time!

 

[Brontosaurus]

I dry fired Form’s rifle. He’s not kidding when he talks about it being “pillowy”.
It was unlike any Trigger I’ve felt. If he wasn’t right there to explain the reason he liked it so much, I would have described it as super mushy and not have had a great impression of it, only because I wouldn’t have been able to articulate how that characteristic would be helpful for not disturbing the rifle after the shot broke.

Feels nothing like Triggertech’s, Timney’s or KRG’s that I have experience with.

I just held forms wooden Marshall in the MRC booth at the hunt expo. I agree with your thoughts on the trigger. Pillowy and weird is how I'd describe it. Crisp initial break followed by a strange pillowy tension. I feel like I'd wanna actually shoot it before I made a call on whether or not I liked it

 

[ResearchinStuff]

While I can agree with some things you mentioned, cmon man-lego parts?? You have been around long enough and in my opinion a solid contributor-however this is laughable. Kelbly has been building CUSTOM-and I mean in the true and literal, original sense-actions for a long time. They are a family run PROVEN company that are considered by many in the top 5-10 of custom actions for hunting and competition. (I've got no affiliation with them, I use what I find to be the best and most accurate.)

Yes, nomenclature has eroded and expanded at the same time, and some love to argue it. I don't subscribe to that. A custom rifle action is still one that is machined to precise and exact tolerances to me. Hence the word/phrase custom action.

Your blind trust is honorable. If folks want to spend "custom" money-on a new, unproven platform because someone told them it will work-rock on. What I find interesting-some of these same folks are the ones demanding proof/evidence/photos/data or it didn't happen, or it is false. Ironic.

Now by me responding, it seems I am poo poo ing the MRC rifle. I am not. I was pointing out a few distinctions. We all have different styles of hunting, experience shooting-heck maybe I am a tiny minority in that regard.

The extra steps they are taking (degreasing, racking rounds, checking 2 mags, shooting a group, etc.) may be perfect for some. I do this in about an hour day 1 with a new rifle. I was just stating that the group of dudes mostly found on here are so technical with their gear and equipment, handloading, customizing, are the very essence of DIY. But! We are a small group in the grand scheme.
I fully support a small business in my home state and I hope this rifle is successful! I look forward to hearing the results.

The custom actions all have issues. Kelblys set back the lugs with big magnums, that's why Ryan Pierce stopped using them. Defiance had so many issues functioning in the dirt and dust the prs guys invented entirely new companies (american rifle company and impact) to try and get something that worked reliably. Zermat rimx are gouging cases severely forcing material changes. Titanium actions are prone to galling and tend to run sticky.

And all the custom actions I'm aware of use the r700 trigger, which has been known to be unsafe since the day it was invented, and known unreliable since at least the 1980s when guys like David petzal and Jim Carmichael started writing about it. Could make the argument that Jack O'Connor knew they were unreliable way before that, even if he didn't talk about it much.

So yeah. The current state of the custom rifle market leaves a lot of room for improvement.

Even so, the Marshall is more of a CA and fierce killer, going after the high end of the production gun segment. If the mrcs all successfully feed, fire, and extract factory ammo, and have rifling in every barrel, it could grab a nice market share for mrc and the other companies involved.

 

[khuber84]

I dry fired Form’s rifle. He’s not kidding when he talks about it being “pillowy”.
It was unlike any Trigger I’ve felt. If he wasn’t right there to explain the reason he liked it so much, I would have described it as super mushy and not have had a great impression of it, only because I wouldn’t have been able to articulate how that characteristic would be helpful for not disturbing the rifle after the shot broke.

Feels nothing like Triggertech’s, Timney’s or KRG’s that I have experience with.

Crisp break with a very light load over travel feels like a BnA, in description without feeling one, I love my BnA triggers. If you were blind fold and had ear muffs on while squeezing the trigger you wouldn't even know it had released.

 

[Bluumoon]

Just saw the Instagram post of the rifle at the show. It has a Leupold on it…..



A little more learning to be done.

Was gonna suggest a list of spec torques be included in the box. May as well include a list of solid mounts and recommended scopes too

 

[MT_Wyatt]

@TheCougar that is a strong showing

For the record I actually thought your Tikka comparison was pretty good, @HighUintas set me off a “touch” with calling the comparison invalid. Both of you had good points. Couger’s first post about returning and seeing the stock situation still an issue, and the optics of taking away from existing orders was spot on. To add to that, selling production spots before the rifles exist IS a pre-order….

Might need to edit my screen name to MT_Unreasonable for a little while just to own it.