The All New MRC/S2H Marshall Rifle Now Available

[KyleR1985]

This thread reminds me of negotiations on a house. Or a business. Or a vehicle. Or any complex “thing” which is a sum of many less complex “things”. And the value of the sum of “things” is very, very open to interpretation. The spectrum of value ranges from “the value of all the individual parts combined is less than the individual parts because they’re combined and I have to spend time to take them apart” all the way to “this sum of parts does something like magic for me, and I will pay significantly more than the sum of all the parts.”


If only we had a mechanism to find out what the market value is of this sum of parts…

 

[atmat]

I was not aware that MRC had a single person building these rifles. Testing, yes... Building? That would be surprising.

I thought that’s what I read in one of the three threads about the MRC, but I may be mistaken. I can try to locate and quote later today.

Also, custom rifles are built to order.

Yes, typically with production bolt-on parts.


My point is that folks are starting to split hairs on nomenclature. If the Marshall is truly turn-key and works as @Formidilosus says, then it’s better than >90% of the “custom” guns I’ve seen. But folks are getting hung up that they didn’t get to pick a color or barrel length and thus can’t call it custom. It’s kind of silly.

 

[BLJ]

I'd be real sad if my new $3800 rifle wasn't under 1moa for 10

I’m gonna say that’s the exception and not the rule.

 

[khuber84]

I thought that’s what I read in one of the three threads about the MRC, but I may be mistaken. I can try to locate and quote later today.

One man "assembles and tests" @ MRC basically starting with table of parts to completion of all function tests. Is he the same guy who dialed in the barrels, cut the chamber, tennon and muzzle threads, I'm not quite certain, could be. You've all heard the slang "built not bought" correct? This is the MRC approach to this particular rifle.

Manufacturing of all the componentry, who knows how many hands are in that.

 

[Mojave]

So will you be offering M70 inlets in the rock stock?

 

[dirtytough]

Yes, typically with production bolt-on parts.


My point is that folks are starting to split hairs on nomenclature. If the Marshall is truly turn-key and works as @Formidilosus says, then it’s better than >90% of the “custom” guns I’ve seen. But folks are getting hung up that they didn’t get to pick a color or barrel length and thus can’t call it custom. It’s kind of silly.

Sorry but custom does mean something different than what this new rifle is. One is ‘made to order’. The other is ‘off the shelf’.


As for the value that’s up to each individual.

And it looks like there are multiple companies that are making money off of these. There’s gotta be enough markup for multiple companies or it’s not worth their time.

 

[id_jon]

I’m gonna say that’s the exception and not the rule.

I agree that that is probably right. I'd still be sad if I got an exceptional in the wrong direction rifle lol

 

[id_jon]

Folks are getting hung up that they didn’t get to pick a color or barrel length and thus can’t call it custom. It’s kind of silly.

For me personally, it is literally only available with a rail, cerakote, and a muzzle decide that I do not want, that have been included in the list of individual parts that add to its value. So yeah, obviously it can't be called custom, since I cannot get it in the configuration I want without making changes myself, which I could, and do, already do to a number of other options. It might truly be the cat's meow, but it is unequivocally not custom. And that's fine.

 

[dieselchessy]

Sorry but custom does mean something different than what this new rifle is. One is ‘made to order’. The other is ‘off the shelf’.


As for the value that’s up to each individual.

And it looks like there are multiple companies that are making money off of these. There’s gotta be enough markup for multiple companies or it’s not worth their time.

I think the word you folks are looking for is Boutique. This is a boutique rifle built through a collaboration of a few boutique rifle (parts) makers.

 

[atmat]

Sorry but custom does mean something different than what this new rifle is. One is ‘made to order’. The other is ‘off the shelf’.

I haven’t argued the contrary. I’m saying many are getting hung up on labels just to shoot inferior “custom” guns.

 

[Mojave]

I am 80% interested, I had actually not heard that someone had restarted Montana Rifle Company. Kind of strange that it is a bow company.

Was pretty turned of by the "we are archery guys" and we aren't 100% sure what we are doing schtick.

Forms ROKSTOCK woodie is pretty slick.

Might duplicate that effort, since I own't be back in America before these are gone.

 

[id_jon]

I haven’t argued the contrary. I’m saying many are getting hung up on labels just to shoot inferior “custom” guns.

I don't want a Corvette, I want an "inferior" "custom" Mustang. As an example. People can want inferior products to their specs.

 

[Team4LongGun]

I’m not taking a stance for or against this statement. But I do think we are sometimes too binomial with custom/factory language.

This is a small company with a single person building and testing every rifle.

• Is it customized to your order? No.
• But is it a manufacturing line in some foreign country? No

Your Kelby atlas and barrel are basically lego parts fitting together.

• Is it customized? Yes.
• Is it anything groundbreaking, revolutionary, or truly custom? No

The MRC is much closer to “custom” than “factory.”

While I can agree with some things you mentioned, cmon man-lego parts?? You have been around long enough and in my opinion a solid contributor-however this is laughable. Kelbly has been building CUSTOM-and I mean in the true and literal, original sense-actions for a long time. They are a family run PROVEN company that are considered by many in the top 5-10 of custom actions for hunting and competition. (I've got no affiliation with them, I use what I find to be the best and most accurate.)

Yes, nomenclature has eroded and expanded at the same time, and some love to argue it. I don't subscribe to that. A custom rifle action is still one that is machined to precise and exact tolerances to me. Hence the word/phrase custom action.

Your blind trust is honorable. If folks want to spend "custom" money-on a new, unproven platform because someone told them it will work-rock on. What I find interesting-some of these same folks are the ones demanding proof/evidence/photos/data or it didn't happen, or it is false. Ironic.

Now by me responding, it seems I am poo poo ing the MRC rifle. I am not. I was pointing out a few distinctions. We all have different styles of hunting, experience shooting-heck maybe I am a tiny minority in that regard.

The extra steps they are taking (degreasing, racking rounds, checking 2 mags, shooting a group, etc.) may be perfect for some. I do this in about an hour day 1 with a new rifle. I was just stating that the group of dudes mostly found on here are so technical with their gear and equipment, handloading, customizing, are the very essence of DIY. But! We are a small group in the grand scheme.
I fully support a small business in my home state and I hope this rifle is successful! I look forward to hearing the results.

 

[Team4LongGun]

My point is that folks are starting to split hairs on nomenclature. If the Marshall is truly turn-key and works as @Formidilosus says, then it’s better than >90% of the “custom” guns I’ve seen. But folks are getting hung up that they didn’t get to pick a color or barrel length and thus can’t call it custom. It’s kind of silly.

This is what I find so interesting-your 100% speculating!! The rifle is unproven. Still using quotes on custom. Picking a color is not what a custom action is. But you know this.

I'm going to bow out-while this is so far a civil discussion, the theory/speculation/expectation vs. fact is a hypothetical and not my cup of tea to spend time on.

MRC-I hope you guys crush it with this rifle

 

[Mojave]

Here is my take on the hunting lexicon for the word CUSTOM:

Factory Action first levels:
1. Level Fudd. I changed 1 part, normally the stock to fit me or be what I want.

2. Level Bubba. I changed the stock and added a tactical bolt handle.

3. Level Tacticool. I swapped out the bottom metal, stock, put a 1913 rail on it, and tactical bolt handle. Still shooting a $350 cheap scope in shit mounts.

4. Level Dude you should my new custom rifle Hella Sick. Good scope, shit rings, same everything else as Level Tacticool.

5. Level "Finally Custom". Chopped the barrel or using a pre-fit, threaded muzzle, new trigger, new stock, good scope, good rings.

6. Level "Dammit I spent $3500 on a factory Savage, Tikka or Remington". Blueprinted action, new trigger, new barrel, new stock, good scope, good rings. "Could have bought a custom action"

7. Level "Named Smith Custom". Used someone really expensive to turn it into a $5000-7000 custom factory actioned rifle, or worse a $15,000 custom rifle.

Custom Action first levels
8. Level Custom Action Armorer job. Prefit everything, nothing bedding, slapped together moderately competent.

9. Level Custom Action Plus 1. Paid a smith to put everything together, or have some skill. Properly bedded, deburred, degreased, works fine. Everything as I wanted or got a good deal on and works.

10. Level "full custom". Every single part works, fits and is 100% the way I want and fits me.

 

[Axlrod]

This thread reminds me of negotiations on a house. Or a business. Or a vehicle. Or any complex “thing” which is a sum of many less complex “things”. And the value of the sum of “things” is very, very open to interpretation. The spectrum of value ranges from “the value of all the individual parts combined is less than the individual parts because they’re combined and I have to spend time to take them apart” all the way to “this sum of parts does something like magic for me, and I will pay significantly more than the sum of all the parts.”


If only we had a mechanism to find out what the market value is of this sum of parts…

We do have a mechanism-
It's called free market economy.
If you want it, buy it.
If you don't want it, don't buy it. Then go on Rokslide and expend thousands of words on why it's not a good deal to you!

 

[id_jon]

If you don't want it, don't buy it. Then go on Rokslide and expend thousands of words on why it's not a good deal to you!

 

[waspocrew]

Just curious - when function testing feeding, what if it jams on say #98,99, 100? Do you start over with a new mag?

 

[waspocrew]

I’m not an early adopter, especially with a nearly $4k rifle I’ve never had the chance to handle or cycle. I may consider jumping in eventually once there are plenty of reports showing it’s a great rifle.

 

[Marbles]

The muzzle brake is a value detractor. A thread protector makes more sense, especially given that the largest offering is a 308. I'm doubtful on it being needed for marketing, but I'm not a marketing guy. I will say it feels like an attempt too move UM product (muzzle brakes) irrespective of value to the customer. It has already been said it was a marketing decision, part of marketing is managing perception, and at least in my case the marketing decision has negatively effected my perception.

I thought this hit a good price point for what it is, but after going to MRC's page to look for specs and seeing the price of the Junction and Highline, I'm not so sure.

I do hope it sells well.