Ted Cruz

[Jeff Martin]

When arguing with a fool, people from afar can not tell who the fool is...

 

[2ski]

but the gov't has no right forcing a church to perform weddings.

This is protected by religious freedom. I have not seen anything where people are wanting to force churches to wed gay people.

As far as the cake thing, the market should've taken that. If a person doesn't want to make a cake they shouldn't have to make a cake. But they can't cry if business falls off as a result. And if they get a lot of business in support, then they shouldn't crow about it either. It just is what it is. Such as what happened with the Dixie Chicks. People spoke through not buying their music anymore. If people supported the cake people, they could make sure to take them their business. If they didn't, they could boycott that business. That's people's right. With regard to the clerk, she is a government employee. Its not up to her to decide who gets married. What if she decided some divorcee shouldn't get married because her religion didn't believe in divorce? Should she deny that person a marriage licence?

There is a difference between a government employee, church, and cake maker.

Its funny. One side complained when the Dixie Chicks took a PR hit, and the other was good with it. The side good with it has complained when it goes the same way with someone they agree with. If federal land was being used the way people wanting it logged and mined want it used, I'm guessing support for the land transfer would be less. Sure there are the people that just see "federal ownership" and balk at that. But let's face it, there is a sect that, if its not used the way I want it used, I want the states to have it. Say the feds were allowing a ton of mountains to be mined. Would a lot of those people care whether the feds owned it or not?

 

[2ski]

When arguing with a fool, people from afar can not tell who the fool is...

I pity the fool......

So true.

 

[airlocksniffer]

Last I checked getting married in/by a church wasn't a requirement. So what gay people were asking for has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with survivor and legal benefits afforded by marriage.

 

[Mike7]

I could care less about gay marriage frankly, but attempts are and have been made to force individuals or establishments to perform gay weddings. After all these people/pastors are licensed by the state, just as a baker, florist, wedding planner, or any other business is. Businesses are increasingly being forced to follow policies that the state or city feels are appropriate regardless of any potential religious freedom claims...at least here on the west coast. It is all very interesting indeed. And it is certainly about a "marriage" declaration from the state for many, otherwise state issued civil unions would have sufficed. One latest thing of interest along these lines here in Washington is the policy allowing people with penises who self identify as feminine being able to go into the little girls bathroom. This is already causing some problems since businesses are not able to prevent this without suffering legal consequences. Interesting indeed.

Back to Public Lands.
Here is something that I don't think has been brought up much. Wouldn't the states and the feds be able to better afford/manage public lands if there was some deregulation? With loss of timber sale funds from land management budgets along with increase in regulation in general, that would seem to be a perfect storm over the last 25 years leading to problems? It sounds though like politicians currently advocating for some deregulation, are also some of the people who are promoting some transfer of federal lands at this point.

 

[airlocksniffer]

Back to Public Lands.
Here is something that I don't think has been brought up much. Wouldn't the states and the feds be able to better afford/manage public lands if there was some deregulation? With loss of timber sale funds from land management budgets along with increase in regulation in general, that would seem to be a perfect storm over the last 25 years leading to problems? It sounds though like politicians currently advocating for some deregulation, are also some of the people who are promoting some transfer of federal lands at this point.

Not a fan of deregulation, kind of like putting the fox in the hen house and telling him to mind his manners. As Montana has seen in our brief history, no or very little regulation for extractive industries hasn't turned out well for our environment or citizens. See Butte/Anaconda and the Clark Fork River for one example.

 

[dotman]

Yeah we the tax payers are paying big bucks for the cleanup of bad mining operations that went bankrupt but then again we are also paying big bucks for multiple f'ups by the EPA like what happened in CO.

I think the EPA needs a huge reduction if not cut all together. I could see keeping environmental regulations in place yet allow more forestry work to be done, especially in Beatle kill forests.

 

[2ski]

I have not heard of any attempts by anyone to force a clergyman to perform a gay wedding.

As a Montanan that experienced deregulation of MT power, I would not be in favor of any deregulation. It worked so well for us. (Sarcasm font)

 

[Where's Bruce?]

With brainwashed millennials and 1/2 the country with their head up their butt... We are in serious trouble.

Some poeple work for a living, others vote for one. The left took control of the educational system...it was a carefully constructed and perfectly executed plan. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty
.
4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?
Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots.

 

[mtmiller]

Bruce, always wise to research information someone sent you in an email before you forward it or post it. Carry on.

 

[airlocksniffer]

 

[Violent Hippie]

Bruce, Regardless of the source of your info posted I agree that the 8 point breakdown you presented would very obviously create more oppression and does appear to be in motion . Not good.

 

[Murdy]

Regarding the purported Alinsky quote:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

 

[tipsntails7]

Some poeple work for a living, others vote for one. The left took control of the educational system...it was a carefully constructed and perfectly executed plan. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1)Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people

2)Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3)Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty
.
4)Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5)Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

6)Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school.

7)Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

8)Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?
Alinsky merely simplified Vladimir Lenin's original scheme for world conquest by communism, under Russian rule. Stalin described his converts as "Useful Idiots." The Useful Idiots have destroyed every nation in which they have seized power and control. It is presently happening at an alarming rate in the U.S If people can read this and still say everything is just fine…they are “useful idiots.

1. Wether I agree or not, mandating that everyone have health care is not controlling it, you can choose whatever health plan you would like, as long as you have the coin...

2. This is a direct result of capitalism... So not sure what your going to do about that, if you don't like being poor, work harder or find a better job or move.

3. Don't have much to add

4. While far rights like to constantly shout the 2a is under attack, what has actually passed in the last 10 years that affects your ability to go buy a gun? Serious question. Try not to use the first buzz column that comes up on google search. Also coming from a guy who chooses to live in CA, this point is pretty pathetic, your self imposing some of the most strict regulations in this country.

5. Hmmm, I am pretty sure I pay for my house, my food and I make my wages...

6. With the internet you can pretty much choose whatever you want to read and listen to all tv media at this point is borderline propaganda for the left or right. If your referring to schools teaching things like evolution and advanced sciences I'm not sure how I see that as a detriment. This also gets back to people parenting their children, teach your child to listen and judge for themselves. Which ties into the next point as well.

7. It was never meant to be there in the first place... So again irrelevant

8. Again a product of capitalism, would you rather everyone makes exactly the same and gets everything the same? Some rise, some fall that's how it works.


All you do is post things that take 10 seconds to read and sound good, you never research the history, you never read behind the text for substance... I'd venture a guess you don't even know who or what Saul did..

 

[dotman]

Should be an interesting debate tonight, funny how that Romey guy thinks people care about what he has to say but should add some excitement tonight.

 

[Laelkhunter]

Should be an interesting debate tonight, funny how that Romey guy thinks people care about what he has to say but should add some excitement tonight.

I didn't care what he had to say 4 years ago. I only voted for him because I wasn't going to vote for Obama.

 

[elkguide]

I didn't care what he had to say 4 years ago. I only voted for him because I wasn't going to vote for Obama.

This year it appears that our choice will be to vote for EVIL or vote for a narcissistic EVIL.

Haven't missed a vote since I turned 18 but....................

 

[mtnwrunner]

This year it appears that our choice will be to vote for EVIL or vote for a narcissistic EVIL.

Haven't missed a vote since I turned 18 but....................

I guess it would just depend on how much you like your right to bear arms.................

Randy

 

[MuleyFever]

I guess it would just depend on how much you like your right to bear arms.................

Randy

Why is this always said, every election? Like Tips said, what has passed under the last Dem that made it so you can't buy a gun?

 

[dotman]

Best part from last nights debate http://usuncut.com/news/ted-cruz-ate-a-booger-oh-my-god/