Ted Cruz

[JWP58]

I am by no means trying to be argumentative, but in my opinion it's not really comparing apples to apples. Public hunting, and especially backcountry hunting like many on this forum do, for big game species in Texas is very, very, limited.

Ya its the Guadalupe national park, no hunting allowed. It was just my snarky rebuttal to a snarky response.

The fact of the matter is why Texas is always brought up when dipshits start talking about transferring or selling off public lands is beyond me. The people who bring it up act as if every Texan has the last name Wilkes, or even knows who those assholes are. As far as I'm concerned they can stay in their rathole home town of Cisco.

If any state needs to be brought up when discussing land transfer its Utah, since it seems like every LDS member considers themselves a sovereign citizen or quasi constitutional lawyer. Utah is where the extreme rhetoric on public land ownership transfer is coming from, but yet Texas is always brought up. Heck just a few weeks ago the Piute county sheriff made public comments threatening to arrest F.S. employees just for doing their job.

Where is the Utah hate? It doesn't exist. Maybe because its a shit hole not worth hating...who knows. But its getting old constantly hearing people from montucky always bitching about Texas because of one family.

Ted Cruz is not a Texan; however he is a booger eater that has a large fan base in Utah and NV due to his land transfer agenda.

 

[gelton]

^^^ What he said.

Also, Texas is the only state in the Union that can secede at any time for any reason and its economy alone, without the dipshits in the District of Criminals is the 12th largest in the world. So the truth is, unlike the states that are still sucking the mothers milk from the federal government tit, we really don't need the rest of ya anyway.

 

[tipsntails7]

^^^ What he said.

Also, Texas is the only state in the Union that can secede at any time for any reason and its economy alone, without the dipshits in the District of Criminals is the 12th largest in the world. So the truth is, unlike the states that are still sucking the mothers milk from the federal government tit, we really don't need the rest of ya anyway.

I'm surprised we can hear you over the oil and mineral drilling.....

So your saying because Texas got lucky that oil was under your feet Texas is better... Good call

With that said its not the people of Texas fault they have no public land.

 

[tipsntails7]

Ya its the Guadalupe national park, no hunting allowed. It was just my snarky rebuttal to a snarky response.

The fact of the matter is why Texas is always brought up when dipshits start talking about transferring or selling off public lands is beyond me. The people who bring it up act as if every Texan has the last name Wilkes, or even knows who those assholes are. As far as I'm concerned they can stay in their rathole home town of Cisco.

If any state needs to be brought up when discussing land transfer its Utah, since it seems like every LDS member considers themselves a sovereign citizen or quasi constitutional lawyer. Utah is where the extreme rhetoric on public land ownership transfer is coming from, but yet Texas is always brought up. Heck just a few weeks ago the Piute county sheriff made public comments threatening to arrest F.S. employees just for doing their job.

Where is the Utah hate? It doesn't exist. Maybe because its a shit hole not worth hating...who knows. But its getting old constantly hearing people from montucky always bitching about Texas because of one family.

Ted Cruz is not a Texan; however he is a booger eater that has a large fan base in Utah and NV due to his land transfer agenda.

This is the first time I've seen Texas brought up in relation to public lands, at least in this thread.

I for one do see what is happening in Utah, and I feel sportsmen who live and hunt there are all starting to take notice.

I think the fact is, I don't want other states to end up with the same land access issues Texas has, that's all, no more no less.

 

[gelton]

I'm surprised we can hear you over the oil and mineral drilling.....

So your saying because Texas got lucky that oil was under your feet Texas is better... Good call

With that said its not the people of Texas fault they have no public land.

Wrong. Texas didn't strike oil until 1915 and we were our own self sufficient country before then so keep dreaming. Our Capitol is the only state Capitol building taller than the White House and our flag is the only flag in the union allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag and all of that happened before we struck oil so keep figuring.

Also until you quit driving automobiles and consuming electricity you should thank us for the oil that is being drilled.

 

[mmw194287]

Wrong. Texas didn't strike oil until 1915 and we were our own self sufficient country before then so keep dreaming. Our Capitol is the only state Capitol building taller than the White House and our flag is the only flag in the union allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag and all of that happened before we struck oil so keep figuring.

Also until you quit driving automobiles and consuming electricity you should thank us for the oil that is being drilled.

The flag thing and the capitol statistic are totally false (even if you meant to refer to the US Capitol instead of the White House).

 

[Matt Cashell]

The fact of the matter is why Texas is always brought up when dipshits start talking about transferring or selling off public lands is beyond me.

In this thread, Cruz brought it up in his own words as the model state for the West to follow while speaking in Idaho.

Where is the Utah hate?

I seem to remember Utah getting the bulk of the criticism on these threads. I just started a thread about Utah-introduced land sale legislation recently.

I actually love Utah, just not its land-grabbing politicians.

Also until you quit driving automobiles and consuming electricity you should thank us for the oil that is being drilled.

Thanks Texas!

And Alaska!

 

[gelton]

The flag thing and the capitol statistic are totally false (even if you meant to refer to the US Capitol instead of the White House).

Actually upon further research you are correct damn Texas history classes fooled me.

 

[airlocksniffer]

Ted Cruz is not a Texan; however he is a booger eater that has a large fan base in Utah and NV due to his land transfer agenda.

Once a booger eater, always a booger eater.

 

[tipsntails7]

Wrong. Texas didn't strike oil until 1915 and we were our own self sufficient country before then so keep dreaming. Our Capitol is the only state Capitol building taller than the White House and our flag is the only flag in the union allowed to fly at the same height as the American flag and all of that happened before we struck oil so keep figuring.

Also until you quit driving automobiles and consuming electricity you should thank us for the oil that is being drilled.

You forgot BBQ as well, probably your greatest contribution..

I will enjoy the gas on my way to free public land access this weekend looking for thunder chickens.

Serious question though, would you rather not have vast areas open to the public for recreation, including hunting?

 

[dotman]

Heck no, KC BBQ is way better!

 

[cuerro viejo]

Heck no, KC BBQ is way better!

Negative hill country Germans take the cake.

 

[cuerro viejo]

This is the first time I've seen Texas brought up in relation to public lands, at least in this thread.

I for one do see what is happening in Utah, and I feel sportsmen who live and hunt there are all starting to take notice.

I think the fact is, I don't want other states to end up with the same land access issues Texas has, that's all, no more no less.

Texas doesn't have a land access issue. If you want to hunt state or federal land in TX, you can and easily fill your tags. Texas was a republic long before it was a state. Fact of the matter is, Federal land in Texas was bought by the Feds, not taken.

Texas also leads the US and top 5 in the world in oil and gas. Texas is also number one in the world via wind energy. Texas literally broke the $100 barrel of oil

By the way Cruz took Idaho.


Texas can not be brought up for the most part in federal land transfers because TX was deeded long before west even close to state hood. With that said our state lands are managed 100x better then our federal lands.

 

[cuerro viejo]

^^^ What he said.

Also, Texas is the only state in the Union that can secede at any time for any reason and its economy alone, without the dipshits in the District of Criminals is the 12th largest in the world. So the truth is, unlike the states that are still sucking the mothers milk from the federal government tit, we really don't need the rest of ya anyway.

We can't succeed we can break up into 5 states to give us more representation.

You are correct Texas one of the larger "net" provider of Tax dollars in the US(ironically if we got rid of some of our blue counties, we would climb way up the ladder as a net provider) If TX closed its borders, over night the US would shut done just via refinery production. That's never going to happen.

Like you, I Have no idea why people want to dog TX. Wish we had the delegate representation we deserve via population, we wouldn't be in this Obama mess

 

[cuerro viejo]

You forgot BBQ as well, probably your greatest contribution..

I will enjoy the gas on my way to free public land access this weekend looking for thunder chickens.

Serious question though, would you rather not have vast areas open to the public for recreation, including hunting?

I personally think it's a delicate balance. The question shouldn't be access should be land use. In a perfect world access should be guaranteed, but states should have the right to produce income via limited use leases (mineral, range, timber, etc).

No perfect world, unfortunately it sucks that some states can't trust their legislation to protect access to that land if state owned

 

[tipsntails7]

I personally think it's a delicate balance. The question shouldn't be access should be land use. In a perfect world access should be guaranteed, but states should have the right to produce income via limited use leases (mineral, range, timber, etc).

No perfect world, unfortunately it sucks that some states can't trust their legislation to protect access to that land if state owned

They do have that right, on property they own. They also have the right to close it, sell it, limit access, or manage it for singular use. And all the states have done that at one time or another.

I don't think anyone is bagging on Texas, but I personally ( and anyone who enjoys the backcountry should as well) don't want to see other western states have the same limitations on the amount of public land available as states back east.

I also feel it would make western hunting financially non viable for most folks, especially guys going to other states. Would you be able to secure landowner permission? How much would it cost? Are there certain times you are and are not allowed? Will they let you camp? How many people are going to have access to the property? Would OTC tags even be a thing anymore? Are landowners going to let 10-30k people on their land every year? Are guys from out of state going to be willing to buy a tag if they cannot make a trip prior to season to secure pan access?

These are all potential problems that could arise. Frankly I'd rather just go hunt, no need to check with anyone, and all its going to cost me is gas and shoe leather.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Technically by the numbers Texas hunters spend more time in the woods then those of CO, Utah and Wyoming. Texas also has a higher concentration of hunters per acreage even though we have a massive amount of more acreage.

So the doom and gloom of a private deeded land isn't what it's made out to be.

Supply and demand always dictate costs.

http://www.nssf.org/pdf/research/huntinginamerica_economicforceforconservation.pdf

Texas also has a history of continuing to purchasing land for public use.

With that said I think some places where ment to be wild. State owning land and allowing unlimited access and leasing out special limited interest is one thing selling is another. Don't agree with selling, nor do I think most who support transfer.

It will always be hard for everyone to get on the same page on this because each state is different in their historical land management records, toss in political climate and sketchiness grows quickly. It's unfortunate for everyone

 

[Violent Hippie]

Whenever I hear the word "lease" in reference to hunting it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. F'n gross IMO . I am literally surrounded by over 500 thousand acres of public land that happens to be beautiful and hold ALOT of fish and game. Bear and deer OTC no problem as well as many other outdoor opportunities such as backcountry skiing, climbing, backpacking, etc . etc. I simply walk out my door and can go for miles. Its public land man.Its a huge part of my life on a daily or weekly basis and why I live here. I hope to NEVER loose this great land .