Suppressor wait times

[thinhorn_AK]

If you don't want to login to see the new FAQ.

Basically, just putting in writing that individuals will be processed much faster than trusts.

Q. Has NFA Division implemented processing changes to reduce the number of pending applications?
Yes. For example, NFA Division is shifting resources to processing applications that have received a proceed from FBI-NICS in response to the required background check.
Q. Are NFA applications processed in a first in, first out basis?
No. NFA applications were previously processed in a first in, first out basis. Adhering to the first in, first out basis resulted in processing delays for NFA applications with a proceeded background check. For example, a NFA application with a proceeded background check would not be processed until a NFA application with a delayed background check was resolved. While first in, first out is a guiding principle, NFA Division will focus its resources to processing those NFA applications that have received a proceed from FBI-NICS in response to the required background check. Accordingly, NFA Division will process NFA applications as it receives background check responses from FBI-NICS. However, NFA Division will submit background checks to FBI-NICS in the order applications are received.
Q. My NFA application is submitted, but my background check has not been sent to FBI-NICS, why?
Due to the record number of NFA application submissions and ATF's limited resources, NFA Division must submit background checks to FBI-NICS in batches. Currently, there are approximately 200,000 NFA applications pending. As NFA Division reduces the number of pending applications, the background checks will be submitted to FBI-NICS closer to when the NFA application was received by NFA Division.
Q. I submitted my NFA application the same time as my friend/family member/etc. and his or her NFA application was processed before mine, why?
NFA Division can approve a NFA application only after receiving a proceed response to the required FBI-NICS background check. Some background checks may take longer to process because FBI-NICS must perform additional research on the applicants background. As a result, two individuals who submit NFA applications at the same time may have their NFA application processed at different times because the background checks are completed by FBI-NICS and transmitted to NFA Division at different times.
Q. What can I do to make sure my background check is processed timely and accurately?
While it is not required, the simplest way to help ensure your background check is processed timely and accurately is to provide your social security number with the NFA application. Without the social security number, FBI-NICS may have to perform additional research to ensure the applicant is not prohibited, thereby delaying the background check response to NFA Division. For example, without a social security number, FBI-NICS will have to perform additional research to properly identify the applicant when the applicant has the same name as someone else with prohibiting information in the NICS database.
Q. My background check is currently in a pending status with FBI-NICS, can ATF approve my NFA application?
No. NFA Division must receive a proceed from FBI-NICS in response to the required background check.
Q. My background check is currently in a delayed status with FBI-NICS, can ATF approve my NFA application?
No. NFA Division must receive a proceed from FBI-NICS in response to the required background check.
Q. My background check is currently in an open status with FBI-NICS, can ATF approve my NFA application?
No. NFA Division must receive a proceed from FBI-NICS in response to the required background check.
Q. FBI-NICS responded to my background check with a proceed, can ATF approve my NFA application?
Yes. NFA Division may approve an NFA application only after FBI-NICS responds with a proceed to the required background check.
Q. If I have more than one application pending, will NFA Division process the applications at the same time?
Yes, provided the applications are for an individual and the social security number was provided with the NFA application. NFA Division has implemented a bundling process which allows an examiner to review all pending applications of an individual. There is no need for an applicant to request bundling, this will be done automatically.
Q. Is bundling available for trusts?
No. However, NFA Division is currently reviewing whether bundling for trust applicants is feasible, given the multiple further complexities presented by trust applicants.
Q. Why do trust applications take longer to process than individual applications?
Trust applications require the examiner to perform several additional steps of review than an individual application. For example, the examiner must read each trust document to ensure it is a legitimate trust. The examiner must also read each trust document to ensure every responsible person to the trust submitted the required responsible person questionnaire. The examiner must also review each trust regardless of whether the same trust was used for a prior application because the terms of that trust may vary between applications.
Q. Are there other factors other than the review process that result in longer processing times for trusts?
Yes. The most common reasons attributable to trust processing delays include:
o Failure to submit a responsible person questionnaire and fingerprint cards for each responsible person named on the trust;
o Failure to submit a valid trust, e.g., there is only one person named in the trust who is the settlor, trustee, and beneficiary;
o The name of the trust on the NFA application is different than the name of the trust in the trust document; and
o The background check is delayed for one or more individuals identified as responsible persons. For example, if one of three identified responsible persons background check is delayed by FBI-NICS, then NFA Division cannot process the application until the delayed background check is resolved.

I was never even asked for my wifes fingerprints or qeustionaire on my trust.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Curious if they're thinking of doing away with the trusts?

That would really make it easier for them to confiscate things wouldnt it?

 

[realunlucky]

Atf efile back up and running for now

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[BRTreedogs]

I'm not very good at lingo.

Does that imply a trust is not valid if it only has one person on it?

I just removed my ex

 

[Bluefish]

I was never even asked for my wifes fingerprints or qeustionaire on my trust.

It used to be if she was a successor trustee, it was not required. They have now changed that and you have to do full submission for both. I have 4 that I have had to resubmit because of this. I am at 8 months since original submission and one still hasn’t been able to certified for the second round of waiting. It could easily be almost 2 years to get them through the system. The system is really broken.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

It used to be if she was a successor trustee, it was not required. They have now changed that and you have to do full submission for both. I have 4 that I have had to resubmit because of this. I am at 8 months since original submission and one still hasn’t been able to certified for the second round of waiting. It could easily be almost 2 years to get them through the system. The system is really broken.

I wonder if thats going to happen to me, the last silencer I got was in September of 2023 and it wasn't an issue.

 

[Caseknife]

I was never even asked for my wifes fingerprints or qeustionaire on my trust.

Me neither on my step-son, but the first two cans went through in about 8 months. Might have to try an individual just because.

 

[Bluefish]

I wonder if thats going to happen to me, the last silencer I got was in September of 2023 and it wasn't an issue.

If you have a submission that’s not approved, you may get rejected. I had one approved in March and one is September, both 1 rp. Did a form 1 on the same trust and rejected in October. My three submissions from July were rejected in February for not having them as 2 rp. Btw a batch rejection and they were not submitted at the same time. So it appears they changed the policy around October.
My October submission with was 2 rp, got a wtf in January, seemed like they were asking why I did it with two sets of prints and pictures. No consistency at all.

 

[fisherman983]

Anyone get an email about a form 2 submission requirement due to the outtage?

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[Marbles]

Anyone get an email about a form 2 submission requirement due to the outtage?

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Form 2 applies to manufacturing or importation of an NFA item. The email is saying that if you should have filed one, but could not due to the outage, you must now file it.

 

[fisherman983]

Form 2 applies to manufacturing or importation of an NFA item. The email is saying that if you should have filed one, but could not due to the outage, you must now file it.

Okay thanks, started to feel some rage coming on.
I'm definitely disappointed I didn't do individual's for my 2 cans in jail

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[billoo349]

Dang I just got excited seeing an email from atf, but it was just a notice that eforms are back online. Waiting on a trust through silencer shop submitted 12/21/23

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[madgrad02]

Dang I just got excited seeing an email from atf, but it was just a notice that eforms are back online. Waiting on a trust through silencer shop submitted 12/21/23

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Glad I'm not the only one who had a heart palpitation after seeing that email... oh well, hopefully sooner than later... sitting at like day 140 for the oldest

 

[fisherman983]

Glad I'm not the only one who had a heart palpitation after seeing that email... oh well, hopefully sooner than later... sitting at like day 140 for the oldest

Same for me.. almost thought Christmas came early

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[thinhorn_AK]

If you have a submission that’s not approved, you may get rejected. I had one approved in March and one is September, both 1 rp. Did a form 1 on the same trust and rejected in October. My three submissions from July were rejected in February for not having them as 2 rp. Btw a batch rejection and they were not submitted at the same time. So it appears they changed the policy around October.
My October submission with was 2 rp, got a wtf in January, seemed like they were asking why I did it with two sets of prints and pictures. No consistency at all.

You would think that businesses arranging trusts would be aware of this stuff.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

If you have a submission that’s not approved, you may get rejected. I had one approved in March and one is September, both 1 rp. Did a form 1 on the same trust and rejected in October. My three submissions from July were rejected in February for not having them as 2 rp. Btw a batch rejection and they were not submitted at the same time. So it appears they changed the policy around October.
My October submission with was 2 rp, got a wtf in January, seemed like they were asking why I did it with two sets of prints and pictures. No consistency at all.

Sorry for the dumb question, what is an rp?

 

[Marbles]

You would think that businesses arranging trusts would be aware of this stuff.

Transfer to a beneficiary requires a tax stamp, legally I would say the ATF is in error if they require beneficiaries to have a NICS check. My children are beneficiaries, they cannot own the items and cannot be responsible persons for an NFA item at present, the purpose of the trust is to hold those items for them until they can.

RP is responsible person. A trustee is a responsible person, the settler (person creating the trust) and beneficiaries are not.

That is my lay person understanding.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Transfer to a beneficiary requires a tax stamp, legally I would say the ATF is in error if they require beneficiaries to have a NICS check. My children are beneficiaries, they cannot own the items and cannot be responsible persons for an NFA item at present, the purpose of the trust is to hold those items for them until they can.

RP is responsible person. A trustee is a responsible person, the settler (person creating the trust) and beneficiaries are not.

That is my lay person understanding.

On mine, I’m listed as the settler, my wife is listed as recipient settler.

But she’s never been asked to fill out a questionnaire or provide fingerprints.

 

[Marbles]

On mine, I’m listed as the settler, my wife is listed as recipient settler.

But she’s never been asked to fill out a questionnaire or provide fingerprints.

Yeah, settler is not a responsible person, only the trustee. My understanding is it should not make a difference. Again, that is a lay person understanding, and probably worth what you paid for it.

I can see someone at the ATF getting mixed up.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Yeah, settler is not a responsible person, only the trustee. My understanding is it should not make a difference. Again, that is a lay person understanding, and probably worth what you paid for it.

I can see someone at the ATF getting mixed up.

They also have me as an initial trustee. Whatever, I’m going to keep positive thoughts as it’s out of my hands. I’m going to assume there’s no problem since I’ve got 5 other silencers with no issues.