Shipping long gun private party to FFL.. where did I go wrong?

Darryle

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I have a good rapport with the postmaster at the office I use, I hand him 2 copies of the receiving FFL'S license, he stamps both and gives me one back and then I get my receipt. For me, it's two fold, forces USPS to acknowledge it's a long gun and gives me a receipt acknowledging the fact.

People make it way tougher than it has to be.

I lost my money on a rifle many years ago, was delivered to the FFL and wasn't what was described, I refused to take possession, we went back and forth until the seller agreed to take the rifle back on his dime. Receiving FFL simply repackaged the rifle in the same boxes it was delivered in and shipped it out. When it arrived, the stock was busted, bolt handle was bent, needless to say, I never got my refund. Last thing I purchased on Gunbroker.

You can take the easy route and be OK the majority of the time, but then there's that one time that bites you in the ass.


For what it's worth...

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432.22 on the same page states that the affidavit is required for a handgun (I.E. regulated) but nowhere under 432.3 does it state that the affidavit is required for Rifles/Shotguns.

Re-read the first paragraph, clearly states certification

432.3 Rifles and Shotguns​

Except under 431.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing. The following conditions also apply:

  1. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when intended for delivery within the same state of mailing. These items must:
    1. Bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement.
    2. Be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
  2. A rifle or shotgun owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner‘s state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the other state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must:
    1. Be addressed to the owner.
    2. Include the “in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian.
    3. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only.
    4. Be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
  3. Mailing of rifles and shotguns between licensed FFL dealers, manufacturers, or importers are not restricted. The Postal Service recommends that these items be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
  4. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. These items must be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
  5. Except as described in 432.3a, licensed curio and relic collectors may mail firearms meeting the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 domestically to licensed FFL curio and relic collectors in any state. These items must be mailed using a class of mail, product, or Extra Service that provides tracking and signature capture at delivery.
  6. Firearms meeting the definition of a rifle or shotgun under 431.4 which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum, which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest, may be accepted for mailing without restriction when mailed between governmental museums.
  7. Air guns (see 431.6) that do not fall within the definition of firearms under 431.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an adult signature service under DMM 503.8. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations.
 
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You’re being overly dramatic.

I am? The guy was flipping out on the seller before a few hours went by because there was no tracking on a flawed system. No that’s not someone that I ever want to deal with because he’s a pain in the ass.
 

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Thanks for posting that link to the definition of "common carrier." It makes things simple since it explicitly excludes the USPS.
This has always been my understanding and can you imagine the employee at usps unwrapping your pckg to check the firearm? Im confident USPS does not want that happening. #goingpostal
 

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This has always been my understanding and can you imagine the employee at usps unwrapping your pckg to check the firearm? Im confident USPS does not want that happening. #goingpostal
I agree 100% Once the person has complied with the shipping rules, there is no way a USPS clerk is going to take the extra time and effort to force someone to open their package. It might be a legal, but no way is any clerk going to do more than the minimum requirements of their job.

Further, the postal regs explicitly forbid a post office worker from refusing to ship, or adding extra requirements to ship a gun that meets the shipping requirements. Thus, they are not allowed to request a copy of the destination FFL license, make a photocopy of your drivers license, etc. Any postal worker who does so is either ignorant, or just being an A-hole. In either case, reporting him to his supervisor will quickly put a stop to such BS.
 
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I am? The guy was flipping out on the seller before a few hours went by because there was no tracking on a flawed system. No that’s not someone that I ever want to deal with because he’s a pain in the ass.
You are being over dramatic, you're being rude, using foul language and being generally combative over something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.
 
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You are being over dramatic, you're being rude, using foul language and being generally combative over something that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

You’re welcome to use the ignore button too.

The situation has nothing to do with you or anybody else in this thread either except for the buyer and seller, yet here you are.
 

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Ohh so you’re the buyer that’s flipping their lid when it’s likely just USPS’s website that’s just not updated. That explains a lot.

I’m putting you on my ignore list so that I never receive a PM from you about anything I’m selling and would have to deal with you. You’re clearly an unreasonable person.
I believe I’m already on your ignore list, but why exactly do you think anyone on this forum would want to buy anything from you when you address people as rudely as you do. There isn’t anything in the world I’d want to give you money for.
 

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Heck I think I'm on his ignore list as well.
There isnt anything in the world I want to sell bad enough to take that dudes money either.
 

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You’re welcome to use the ignore button too.

The situation has nothing to do with you or anybody else in this thread either except for the buyer and seller, yet here you are.

The situation has nothing to do with you or anybody else in this thread either except for the buyer and seller, yet here you are.
 
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I believe I’m already on your ignore list, but why exactly do you think anyone on this forum would want to buy anything from you when you address people as rudely as you do. There isn’t anything in the world I’d want to give you money for.

All of the haters have shown up. You aren’t yet but you will be now. I couldn’t care less that you wouldn’t buy anything from me. I named my new service business in a way that it would deter people that I don’t want to deal with from calling me and that’s part of my livelihood so if my attitude is all it takes to keep certain people away then it’s a win in my book.
 
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The situation has nothing to do with you or anybody else in this thread either except for the buyer and seller, yet here you are.

I’m perfectly aware of that and I’m not the one that pointed it out.

The OP asked for advice and I provided feedback about USPS’s lack of a reliable system based on almost a decade of owning a large e-commerce business and shipping 500+ parcels a day and also provided feedback about requirements for shipping a firearm which some know it all decided they wanted to argue about.

You weren’t on my ignore list either, but you are now so enjoy talking to yourself.
 
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