Shipping long gun private party to FFL.. where did I go wrong?

[atmat]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier

@rodney482, @DangerRanger

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Only has to go 4 hrs to get to my ffl. Still nothing

Right, but it's gonna sit there in limbo for a few days while they circle jerk figuring out what to do with the hazmat thing, then it'll sit on some supervisor's stack of to-do's while they take a 2 hour shit on the clock and sip their coffee in the break room for another hour before sitting at their desk.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

There is conflation between shipping long guns and handguns.
USPS does NOT ship handguns.

The exception is relics or museum pieces shipped between curators, which require an affidavit.

Both the ATF and USPS state you can ship long guns with NO mention of needing an affidavit. However, the ATF does make mention that it is Federal law to inform the shipper that it is a firearm.

Personally, I use Shipmygun.com which has a contract with UPS. You can drop the gun off directly at a UPS customer service center and have it to the buyer's FFL in usually 3 days.


https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

USPS allows FFL’s to ship handguns so that’s not accurate. Individuals can only ship through UPS or FedEx legally neither of which will allow it anymore. So basically handguns have to ship via FFL through USPS.

 

[Reburn]

@allstajacket

Did you make the post office this morning?

 

[MuleyFever]

Well, this was entertaining.

You dont have to be a licensed hazmat shipper to ship all hazmat. I can ship ammo which has to be declared as hazmat with a limited qty placard. I cannot ship powder though.

Probably sitting at the post office because he declared it as hazmat and there is no placard on the box. Or they sent it to be destroyed because it was declared as hazmat and there is no placard on the box and they may have a policy against holding or investigating unknown hazmat items.

 

[ndayton]

USPS allows FFL’s to ship handguns so that’s not accurate. Individuals can only ship through UPS or FedEx legally neither of which will allow it anymore. So basically handguns have to ship via FFL through USPS.

We are not talking about FFL to FFL here.
I get it, you need to be right.
Yes, both FedEx and UPS only except shipments from contracted companies, which Shipmygun.com, allows you to use their company to ship guns (both handguns and long guns) through UPS.

This also still doesnt change the fact that the affidavit is only for handguns.

 

[DangerRanger]

Deleted waste of time

all this is gonna end in 2 days when it gets scanned at a hub in another state then gets driven back to buyers ffl

 

[redneckbmxer24]

We are not talking about FFL to FFL here.
I get it, you need to be right.
Yes, both FedEx and UPS only except shipments from contracted companies, which Shipmygun.com, allows you to use their company to ship guns (both handguns and long guns) through UPS.

This also still doesnt change the fact that the affidavit is only for handguns.

Your exact statement was “USPS does NOT ship handguns”… any reasonable person would interpret that as nobody can ship a handgun through USPS for any reason. You should have chosen better wording if that’s not what you meant. Yes if you post something that’s incorrect and I know it to be incorrect I’m going to call you out on it because people can take what you’re saying as factual when it isn’t and can cause them problems.

 

[Reburn]

Well, this was entertaining.

You dont have to be a licensed hazmat shipper to ship all hazmat. I can ship ammo which has to be declared as hazmat with a limited qty placard. I cannot ship powder though.

Probably sitting at the post office because he declared it as hazmat and there is no placard on the box. Or they sent it to be destroyed because it was declared as hazmat and there is no placard on the box and they may have a policy against holding or investigating unknown hazmat items.

Man I hope not. Was a nice gun.

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rokslide.com

 

[ndayton]

Your exact statement was “USPS does NOT ship handguns”… any reasonable person would interpret that as nobody can ship a handgun through USPS for any reason. You should have chosen better wording if that’s not what you meant. Yes if you post something that’s incorrect and I know it to be incorrect I’m going to call you out on it because people can take what you’re saying as factual when it isn’t and can cause them problems.

Context is everything and, in this discussion, we are talking about private parties shipping directly to FFLs across state lines.
Sorry if that wasn't obvious to you in the beginning.

 

[Reburn]

Yes if you post something that’s incorrect and I know it to be incorrect I’m going to call you out on it because people can take what you’re saying as factual when it isn’t and can cause them problems.

So now your a champion for the people?
Give me a break.
I have yet to see you one time to admit your wrong. When someone proves you wrong you just argue or ghost the thread.

 

[allstajacket]

Holy cow there is a lot of info here.

I went to the post office this morning when they opened, they said that all packages were picked up and sent to the hub as normal, and we likely would see a scan in a day or two.

Regarding the hazmat, I read the policy when purchasing the label and it said that hazmat was required for firearms. I seriously hope following this didn’t screw this up, I guess I should have just shipped it normal and gotten a receipt at drop off.

I guess I will continue sweating buckets until USPS updates me or I see tracking updated.


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[thinhorn_AK]

Ohh so you’re the buyer that’s flipping their lid when it’s likely just USPS’s website that’s just not updated. That explains a lot.

I’m putting you on my ignore list so that I never receive a PM from you about anything I’m selling and would have to deal with you. You’re clearly an unreasonable person.

You’re being overly dramatic.

 

[The Guide]

So now your a champion for the people?
Give me a break.
I have yet to see you one time to admit your wrong. When someone proves you wrong you just argue or ghost the thread.

He is here to right the wrongs and wrong the rights, if the thread is going good he'll start a fight... Who is that masked man you say? Why he is the REDNECKBMXER24

Jay

 

[twofer]

" . . . the ATF does make mention that it is Federal law to inform the shipper that it is a firearm."

Just to clarify, this only applies when shipping through a "common carrier." A common carrier is a commercial carrier doing business with the general public. Examples would be UPS and FedEx. USPS is a branch of the government and therefore not a commercial operation, and thus USPS is not a common carrier.

USPS not being a common carrier is why there is no requirement to declare a standard sized rifle/shotgun when shipping through USPS.

 

[allstajacket]

There is no requirement to declare a rifle at USPS. The Mailabilty requirement only applies to regulated firearms. It says so right in 432.1(e). The typical bolt action rifle, shotgun, etc, is not a regulated firearm.

And, what would be the point of having no markings indicating the contents is a rifle, if USPS then requires you to declare it is a rifle?

Also, an unloaded rifle is not Hazmat material. And, checking the package as containing Hazmat materials, without you being an authorized hazmat shipper could very well cause problems.

The rifle is probably going to go through the system just fine, once the Hazmat issue gets cleared up.

JMHO

Any advice on how to clear up the hazmat issue? On hold with customer service now. I guess I could tell them I accidentally checked the hazmat box?

Someone on here previously stated the package would be destroyed and it made my heart sink a bit..
Wouldn't they call me and ask? My information is on the package as the "from" address!

 

[twofer]

Best bet is to go to that Post Office in person and explain the Hazmat error, and stay there until they locate/retrieve the package and correct the error.

 

[DangerRanger]

Hazmat is not needed, but pirate ship does list firesrms under the checkbox, so I don’t think it’s odd that you checked it. When you click into their instructions it magically isn’t mentioned at all.

I think this also will be a big whopping nothingburger.

Have a beer and relax, let usps do what they do best. eventually scan your shit in the most random location for your route a day and a half after you’ve already freaked out that it’s in Somalia on a dingy

 

[fwafwow]

Fwiw:

1. Don’t believe anything you read on the internet, especially if it purports to be an analysis of the law
2. Cornell is a legitimate web source for the US Code
3. You can’t rely on any government employee, whether at the USPS counter, or a Post Master, for a correct interpretation of the law.
4. The law, and carrier policies, for shipping firearms are incredibly complicated. As an example, I understood from RS (and failing to heed #1) that I could no longer ship via UPS a new rifle to have cut and threaded. That was wrong - I just needed a shipping label from the FFL.

Out of personal curiosity I will want to look up the statutes, and even the regulations, when I’m at a computer. My thoughts on the same will be worthless. Hopefully the rifle is found before I get to a computer.

OP - I hope this works out for you and the buyer.

 

[atmat]

Fwiw:

1. Don’t believe anything you read on the internet, especially if it purports to be an analysis of the law
2. Cornell is a legitimate web source for the US Code
3. You can’t rely on any government employee, whether at the USPS counter, or a Post Master, for a correct interpretation of the law.
4. The law, and carrier policies, for shipping firearms are incredibly complicated. As an example, I understood from RS (and failing to heed #1) that I could no longer ship via UPS a new rifle to have cut and threaded. That was wrong - I just needed a shipping label from the FFL.

Out of personal curiosity I will want to look up the statutes, and even the regulations, when I’m at a computer. My thoughts on the same will be worthless. Hopefully the rifle is found before I get to a computer.

OP - I hope this works out for you and the buyer.

Can you put this in meme format so I understand?