Shipping long gun private party to FFL.. where did I go wrong?

[redneckbmxer24]

Not seeing it.

432 Mailability | Postal Explorer

pe.usps.com

You’re welcome to call the Tampa, FL main hub by the airport, Odessa, FL hub, or Clayton GA and ask the post masters at those locations. They’re all familiar with it.

 

[rodney482]

I love pirateship, but it's really not an appropriate tool for shipping a firearm. Approaching 24 hours now, has the tracking shown anything?

Nothing

 

[rodney482]

You’re welcome to call the Tampa, FL main hub by the airport, Odessa, FL hub, or Clayton GA and ask the post masters at those locations. They’re all familiar with it.

You wont find anywhere in state/fed law that says you have to declare its a firearm when shipping usps

Not on ATF … not on USPS…

 

[171farm]

There is zero chance I would have left a gun sitting on the counter of the post office without first fully explaining that you want to ensure it was scanned into the system. I get that’s what the person behind the counter told you to do, but with a several hundred dollar or more package, I would have said no thanks I’ll wait in line.

 

[Weldor]

You wont find anywhere in state/fed law that says you have to declare its a firearm when shipping usps

Not on ATF … not on USPS…

Absolutley, It is pretty simple. box it up with required paperwork, insure it send it. No markings (Firearms etc) I always take to counter and get tracking right there.

 

[rodney482]

Absolutley, It is pretty simple. box it up with required paperwork, insure it send it. No markings (Firearms etc) I always take to counter and get tracking right there.

Exactly what I do … never had an issue. Several years ago they would ask what it was when doing insurance.

UPS def asks and wants to know make, mod, caliber

 

[redneckbmxer24]

You wont find anywhere in state/fed law that says you have to declare its a firearm when shipping usps

Not on ATF … not on USPS…

You do have to declare a firearm and you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. The very link you posted has conditions on it stating that they may inspect it to verify it’s unloaded and that you may have to fill out a statement saying as such. You absolutely have to tell them it’s a firearm and what type.

 

[rodney482]

You do have to declare a firearm and you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. The very link you posted has conditions on it stating that they may inspect it to verify it’s unloaded and that you may have to fill out a statement saying as such. You absolutely have to tell them it’s a firearm and what type.

Implied?? Maybe .. but not law. Fact

 

[atmat]

Implied?? Maybe .. but not law. Fact

If it's implied but not explicitly stated -- why chance it?

 

[rodney482]

If it's implied but not explicitly stated -- why chance it?

Nothing to chance …its clearly not a violation of law.

Maybe I dont want everyone to know, standing around me in the post office, what im mailing?

As if I trust any of these employees.

 

[twofer]

There is no requirement to declare a rifle at USPS. The Mailabilty requirement only applies to regulated firearms. It says so right in 432.1(e). A standard length rifle or shotgun is not a regulated firearm.

And, what would be the point of having no markings indicating the contents is a rifle, if USPS then requires you to declare it is a rifle?

Also, an unloaded rifle is not Hazmat material. And, checking the package as containing Hazmat materials, without you being an authorized hazmat shipper could very well cause problems.

The rifle is probably going to go through the system just fine, once the Hazmat issue gets cleared up.

JMHO

 

[rodney482]

There is no requirement to declare a rifle at USPS. The Mailabilty requirement only applies to regulated firearms. It says so right in 432.1(e). The typical bolt action rifle, shotgun, etc, is not a regulated firearm.

And, what would be the point of having no markings indicating the contents is a rifle, if USPS then requires you to declare it is a rifle?

Also, an unloaded rifle is not Hazmat material. And, checking the package as containing Hazmat materials, without you being an authorized hazmat shipper could very well cause problems.

I was concerned about the hazmat too

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Any serialized firearm including long guns is a regulated firearm under federal law.

You can ask literally any post master across the US and they will tell you that you have to declare a firearm.

Just out of curiousity, many guns do you two experts ship per year?

 

[gbflyer]

I mailed a fishing rod tube out of Point Loma CA recently. One of the largest sport fishing fleets in the state there, you’d have thought that they would be experienced with sending and receiving fishing rods. Had to argue with the low brow postal workers, first about a return address and then about the length. I finally made him produce his tape measure and told him I was very familiar with the 130” combined dimension limit. If I would have had time I’d have gone and found a car bumper and made him mail that too. What an asshole. Anyway. It’s home now. Our local PO is awesome. It’s all about the people.


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[rodney482]

Any serialized firearm including long guns is a regulated firearm under federal law.

You can ask literally any post master across the US and they will tell you that you have to declare a firearm.

Just out of curiousity, many guns do you two experts ship per year?

would that number change your mind?

 

[Mike Islander]

I sold a long gun and shipped it to an FFL myself, following all of the protocols to the best of my knowledge. In pirate ship, I checked hazmat as it states for firearms, added signature confirmation, and insured the package.

I then took it to the post office near my work and dropped it off on lunch. There was a LONG line and only one employee. She asked me if I already had a label printed, and I said yes. She instructed me to leave the package on the drop off area with all of the other packages. (A fairly large pile.)

I did so, and have been checking tracking since, and the package has not been scanned. The buyer isn’t happy with me, though I feel like I followed the book.

Am I overthinking this? Where did I screw up? Help?


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You dropped off a package worth more than $3 without getting a post office scan receipt? And now you are asking where you went wrong?

As the old joke goes..."You know." ;-)

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Nothing to chance …its clearly not a violation of law.

Maybe I dont want everyone to know, standing around me in the post office, what im mailing?

As if I trust any of these employees.

Here you go genius. Federal law actually states written notification which is why they now require the affidavit to be filled out. You just admitted to breaking a federal law.

You can go into any post office and look at the posters on the wall and they all state the code and that you must declare anything that is perishable, hazardous or potentially dangerous. You 100% absolutely positively HAVE to declare a firearm when you’re shipping it it through USPS, UPS, or FedEx. It’s federal law.

 

[DangerRanger]

Good thing they are sending it to a licensed dealer


This is all hall monitor nonsense anyway where now we are wasting time hoping to prove someone broke a random gun law by shipping a firearm which in itself is one of the biggest wastes of human time I can imagine at the moment.

Good luck OP, I think you’ll be fine. USPS lost a rifle I shipped once for a month and then found it, the earth keeps spinning no matter what.

 

[rodney482]

Here you go genius. Federal law actually states written notification which is why they now require the affidavit to be filled out. You just admitted to breaking a federal law.

You can go into any post office and look at the posters on the wall and they all state the code and that you must declare anything that is perishable, hazardous or potentially dangerous. You 100% absolutely positively HAVE to declare a firearm when you’re shipping it it through USPS, UPS, or FedEx. It’s federal law.

….. other than licensed dealers.

 

[rodney482]

Here you go genius. Federal law actually states written notification which is why they now require the affidavit to be filled out. You just admitted to breaking a federal law.

You can go into any post office and look at the posters on the wall and they all state the code and that you must declare anything that is perishable, hazardous or potentially dangerous. You 100% absolutely positively HAVE to declare a firearm when you’re shipping it it through USPS, UPS, or FedEx. It’s federal law.

Listen here jail house lawyer… maybe quoting laws isn't your game? I know maybe we’ll have a spelling contest.