Senate vote public lands sale

[IdahoBeav]

And, how exactly, are they not preserving public lands if their voices result in blocking the sale?
If they accomplish this ends, they don't just "believe" they preserved public lands, they actually preserved public lands.

If they were preserving public lands, they would have been doing this in opposition to the solar panels, windmills, etc.

Selective Outrage

 

[RockAndSage]

There is also a minority group of hunters that grin from ear to ear seeing other hunters (generally a conservative group) jump in bed with left wing politics in order to, they believe, preserve public lands.

The vast majority of the criticism of Lee and this bill has involved screaming and absolute shutdown of any type of discussion or compromise. It's the same vibe as BLM, Antifa, No Kings, etc. it just hasn't involved violence, even though violence has been suggested by one of the leaders of the public lands movement.

If you want to see "conservative" hunters go into a full-Marxist rage, talk about the importance of landowner tags, and how those landowners should have tags in compensation for preserving deer habitat and for the crop damage caused by them.

My biggest problem with this part of the bill - and what causes the biggest sense of threat - is the very opaque way it was written and slipped into the broader budget bill, and the wide-open loopholes of decision-making power that are written into it, in what gets sold. It didn't go through any of the normal hearings and markups in the relevant committees that are there precisely to make sure the process and the legislation are transparent, with as few loopholes as possible, and that all sides have a chance to point out what's important to their perspective. The way this is being done is dirty.

And because of that, the overwhelming anger and campaigning against it is entirely justified - we don't have the time to go the normal route, and that is exactly why Lee is doing this the way he is.

If this part of the bill he wants passed is worthy, he'll have no problem introducing it as stand-alone piece of legislation - as the very Chairman of the committee that would have 100% control over it. There is nobody in Congress better positioned to get it to pass the normal way, so if he's not willing to do it that way, that tells you everything you need to know about him not wanting people to know how bad this legislation really is.

 

[RockAndSage]

Yeah, its a weird point to make: "because you didn't oppose solar panels, you should stop opposing selling off public lands."

That's exactly what that tweet is implying. Good way to say it.

 

[average]

Thread 'BLM to open 22 mil acres in Western states to solar'

Jan 23, 2024

Eta:
Virtual meeting links on page 7 and link below.
Written statement period ends in April.

BLM proposes to open 22 million acres in Western states to solar development

• The U.S. Bureau of Land Management on Wednesday unveiled an updated solar roadmap that proposes opening 22 million acres for developing utility-scale solar on public land in 11 Western states.
• The proposal refines the BLM’s existing maps of land open to solar development in Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah, and adds new maps of potential development areas in Idaho...

• GreenBoot
• Replies: 142
• Forum: Conservation

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This thread exists among others with discussions of the "evils" of solar. Opposition to solar on Federal land is far from non-existent here and on other social media.

 

[Macintosh]

The absolutism is in large part because this public land sale is being accomplished thru the reconciliation process, which expressly prevents discourse and is based on a smaller majority than a typical bill would; coupled with the fact that the language allows an anything-goes approach to selling it, and because the land will be gone from the public domain FOREVER within 5 years there is zero chance to reconsider or change our minds the way there thpically is with policy decisions. The PROCESS matters greatly. Plenty of folks who think there are public lands that might be ok to transfer are being absolutist now because of the process…in large part because there is an existing process to do so. Its this fast-tracked (lack of) process as part of a must-pass bill with special rules that is the major problem for many, almost as much as the substance of the issue.

Say what you will about solar, that was not accomplished due to a fast-tracked process that prevented discourse and reduced the threshhold to implement it. By the measure of process alone it’s a totally different thing.

 

[Poser]

If they were preserving public lands, they would have been doing this in opposition to the solar panels, windmills, etc.

Selective Outrage

And we're right back to where we started. You gonna die on that hill with a grin on your face?

And where are you at with Elon Musk these days? He seeks to cover the entirety of the deserts of the Southwestern US with solar panels.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1866176382411145602

 

[FuddRucker]

The "nobody made a peep when they put up solar panels" is not a very great "gotcha" imo. It's akin to saying you're going to sit this one out because you're butthurt about "dwindling opportunities" and mean residents. They are both pure deflection in service of Lee's agenda.

Maybe these points are just brought up in the Socratic "just asking questions to generate discussion" type of way, but it doesn't seem like it.

 

[Crowmangler]

Mike Lee's proposal is like your crackhead uncle stealing & selling your grandma's wedding band to get a fix for the night

 

[roosterdown]

Mike Lee's proposal is like your crackhead uncle stealing & selling your grandma's wedding band to get a fix for the night

And yet they are still not equal.

When my crackhead thief uncle lights himself on fire...at least for him, I'd piss on him to douse the flames.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Avoid the red herrings. Keep the heat on until the reconciliation bill is finalized and sent out of the Senate.

 

[cal30_sniper]

The vast majority of the criticism of Lee and this bill has involved screaming and absolute shutdown of any type of discussion or compromise. It's the same vibe as BLM, Antifa, No Kings, etc. it just hasn't involved violence, even though violence has been suggested by one of the leaders of the public lands movement.

This same verbiage probably could have been used to describe people throwing tea in harbors and refusing to discuss reasonable compromises on taxes being levied to pay off war debts incurred defending a far flung colony’s extensive wilderness and seaboard borders.

 

[Poser]

This same verbiage probably could have been used to describe people throwing tea in harbors and refusing to discuss reasonable compromises on taxes being levied to pay off war debts incurred defending a far flung colony’s extensive wilderness and seaboard borders.

You could even apply it to, dare I say, Jan 6th 2021.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Back on track…

 

[CorbLand]

Seems like the government of this place needs to clean some house.

 

[Hoosker Doo]

Our Wyoming senators and rep have responded that they "support the sale of federal lands".

Here is part of the response I got to one of my emails:
"I support federal land sales when they serve the interests of states, local communities and the public. The proposal under discussion impacts less than one percent of our federal lands. It gives states and local governments a voice in the decisions. The Wyoming Governor and local officials in Wyoming will play a significant role prior to any federal land sales in our state."

Also our state rep did a radio interview on our local station and said that the bill only relates to affordable housing and that local communities would be involved in the discussion and that our (the concerned citizens) reaction has been blown way out of proportion. I say she's only looking at the future impact of the bill with rose colored glasses.

She also mentioned that the bill would only apply to lands between 1-5 miles of the communities they would "help" you can leave town limits and hike 5 miles in a straight line and cross most of the Wyoming range thats not wilderness or a national park... that's a whole lot of prime country still on the table.

 

[JFK]

There is a camp of hunters that has emerged in all of this who, much like the predominate sentiment of the ORV community, are entirely uncomfortable with criticizing Republican legislation so, even though they don't necessarily want to see public land sold off, they are more comfortable criticizing the opposition to Republican legislation than they are opposing it even if it is against their own self and user group interest.
That's a weird row to hoe, but they seemed determined to hoe it nonetheless.

I’ve noticed the same thing. At any given time in the world of politics there are dozens, if not hundreds, of issues. You don’t have to be in alignment with your party on every single one. A lot of people from both parties are uncomfortable with that idea and they really shouldn’t be.

 

[ColoradoV]

Home of the free…

 

[realunlucky]

Please stay on topic and avoid going down a January 6 rabbit hole.



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[Ucsdryder]

Our Wyoming senators and rep have responded that they "support the sale of federal lands".

Here is part of the response I got to one of my emails:
"I support federal land sales when they serve the interests of states, local communities and the public. The proposal under discussion impacts less than one percent of our federal lands. It gives states and local governments a voice in the decisions. The Wyoming Governor and local officials in Wyoming will play a significant role prior to any federal land sales in our state."

Also our state rep did a radio interview on our local station and said that the bill only relates to affordable housing and that local communities would be involved in the discussion and that our (the concerned citizens) reaction has been blown way out of proportion. I say she's only looking at the future impact of the bill with rose colored glasses.

She also mentioned that the bill would only apply to lands between 1-5 miles of the communities they would "help" you can leave town limits and hike 5 miles in a straight line and cross most of the Wyoming range thats not wilderness or a national park... that's a whole lot of prime country still on the table.

Lots of Wyoming residents on here. Make sure your voice is heard!

 

[cal30_sniper]

Back on track…

Sorry…