Nowhere to Hunt!

[Baddog]

Interesting take. Hope most don’t agree

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Whether the land is mismanaged by the feds or not, its an access issue. I would hope that even hunters out east who don't have any inclination to go west to hunt would still be see the benefit of keeping land owned by us in public hands. I understand that is idealistic. There are a lot of places in the west I will never make it to, but I want others to still be able to enjoy the land. Not to mention the myriad of other users including mining and O&G. Once that BLM sage ground is a slapdash tract home its gone forever.

We're talking about stuff like this in the Vegas suburbs, hunters out East or anybody else aren't going to care about it. These are the exact types of properties I would expect the BLM and USFS to select to offload. Nobody is using this stuff but the locals, so it should be sold to local governments to use for the good of their own people. Why should a guy in Texas have any say over any ovwr what happens with any of these properties? Let the locals manage it.

 

[Hnthrdr]

No its not and that is a huge oversite that people just dont want to admit. So how do you get the guy who is a whitetail hunter in Iowa on board who will never cross the Mississippi. Or the guy in Arkansas that is more worried about putting his time and money into the ppr region so he has more ducks in the fall and could care less about elk or mountains. There will still be national parks they can go for a week see the mountains and hike around. There is a bigger picture that is being missed and even amongst people that used to go west to hunt they are getting more disenfranchised with the plight of the western public land big game hunter.

I dont want anything sold but with out a national view the support is getting harder to come by as more people get disconnected from western public ground for a multitude of reasons.

Another facet is the complete lack of trust in the federal govt to do any thing right and thats not a partisan issue they all are like a monkey screwing a football every last one of them. So convincing the general public it should stay under Fed control is an up hill battle.

I think one thing that gets over looked is if there was this fire sale, and much of the NF or BLM starts getting sold and tons of tags get cut, likely big corps will be buying the land, not me and my buddy Randy for a hunting club.

Where will those guys go? I think people underestimate what private land hunts cost now, what happens when you flood that market with 10x 20x 30x the demand? What happens to your hunt club in Texas? What happens when west coasters or mountain west guys start buying up Midwest properties to hunt? And not just deer, but turkeys and ducks ect… could be some serious ripple effects.

Obviously this is worst case scenario, but you start selling some and it becomes a precedent to be revisited…

 

[Q_Sertorius]

Why should a guy in Texas have any say over any ovwr what happens with any of these properties?.

Because it is federal land. Every citizen in the country has a “say” in it and should be concerned about the precedent set. Not to mention the self-dealing and corruption that is underneath these sales.

This is a fire sale of national resources to fund a few more years of graft and corruption. Nothing more. Our Government can’t control its spending, so we are basically in the stage where the alcoholic loser is selling the family farm to buy booze for a few more years.


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“Keep on keepin’ on…”

 

[dirtytough]

Residents remind me of politicians.

They ask for help/votes with one hand while doing their best to take with the other.

Makes it really hard to care when they lose a race/land to hunt.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

Because it is federal land. Every citizen in the country has a “say” in it and should be concerned about the precedent set. Not to mention the self-dealing and corruption that is underneath these sales.

This is a fire sale of national resources to fund a few more years of graft and corruption. Nothing more. Our Government can’t control its spending, so we are basically in the stage where the alcoholic loser is selling the family farm to buy booze for a few more years.


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“Keep on keepin’ on…”

Yeah I just don't think a 1/2 acre empty plot in the middle of a town serves the public any good, better off being a 7/11 gas station or a public library or something. I think the residents of that small area that drive by the abandoned lot daily should be able to do *something* with it.

 

[Gila]

We are 6 million homes short of needs and rising quickly, and 37 trillion in debt. Hardworking families can't even afford to buy a home as the shortage runs prices sky high. The current debt cost nearly a trillion a year just to pay the interest on it plus adding 2 trillion of debt every year.

So, something has to change and there is going to be compromises and consequences. I say sell as much public land in the wide open west as is necessary to solve these two issues. There is plenty of public land to go around and 50 million acres won't be missed except by a handful of greedy people. Solving these two major issues are FAR more important to the country than some hunting grounds being taken from residents there.

I will hunt my Pa farm and pay to hunt a private ranch whenever I need to hunt out of state just as I have done in the past in Montana. When I pay, I know I am welcome there.

This land sale has nothing to do with urban development…We ain’t got any urbans out here OK?

Seriously, get informed by listening to the “Your Mountain” podcast on the subject. Some of the other threads on the topic have been “enlightening” as well. If the public hunting land disappears, so will the land owner tags.

 

[Stache Attack]

Please write your senators and representatives first before posting politics. Your voice matters and many do not take the time to write a letter or even an email.

 

[2-Stix]

I emailed my Senators. I hunt NR and Res...and hike, backpack, hunt, fish, camp, climb, and ride trails in both NFS and BLM. All outdoors enthusiasts and locals and non-locals need to band to gether on this. Randy Newberg has been putting out great info on this for months for us to follow.

 

[Elkangle]

What will we sell the next time the debt gets out of hand

 

[Gila]

Also contact your House reps. It is somewhat unlikely at this point that the Senate will be able to pull Sen Lee’s Provision from the Bill before it is passed back to the House. It will most likely be up to Rep. Zinke to once again “lead the pack” of Republican House reps to get the provision pulled. However Speaker Johnson will be a hurdle to that effort…you can count on it.

 

[Yoder]

But he's cutting spending by adding trillions to our national debt. I know this sounds exactly like what every other president has done in our lifetime, but it's not. He's "one of us".

 

[Rich M]

There already is essentially nowhere to hunt w all the quota stuff. LoL! Lotsa folks getting real excited.

Howd to vote go?

 

[cal30_sniper]

We are 6 million homes short of needs and rising quickly, and 37 trillion in debt. Hardworking families can't even afford to buy a home as the shortage runs prices sky high. The current debt cost nearly a trillion a year just to pay the interest on it plus adding 2 trillion of debt every year.

So, something has to change and there is going to be compromises and consequences. I say sell as much public land in the wide open west as is necessary to solve these two issues. There is plenty of public land to go around and 50 million acres won't be missed except by a handful of greedy people. Solving these two major issues are FAR more important to the country than some hunting grounds being taken from residents there.

I will hunt my Pa farm and pay to hunt a private ranch whenever I need to hunt out of state just as I have done in the past in Montana. When I pay, I know I am welcome there.

I seem to recall a biblical story of someone trading their birthright for a bowl of stew. You may notice some parallels in the political talking points you’ve regurgitated above if you actually crunch the numbers on what you’re proposing.

Any profits from public land sale will have disappeared by the end of the month, and the land access will be gone forever. You may not care about it, but I’d bet the majority of us who had the energy to pick up our feet and chase lower paying opportunities to live out here certainly do.